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[Gillian Greensite <>]

> To add a bit to Alice Vachss' helpful analogy. If the drunk driver 
> aims his car to deliberately hit the pedestrian we would be outraged 
> further, yet that is what most men who rape do when they zero in to 
> rape a woman or man who is vulnerable from too much alcohol. 
> Intentional not accidental. That we (well not us) are less outraged 
> by this than we would be if it were a drunk driving example is a 
> measure of society's trivialization of the seriousness of rape.

Gillian

Gillian Greensite
Director, UCSC Rape Prevention Education

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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:50:26 +0000
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> Subject: Re: Drunk driving analogy
> To: "Michelle N. Issadore" 
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> I think there *is* an analogy about drunk driving but not quite what 
> you described. I've used one in speeches to try to distinguish 
> between risk taking and victim blaming. I don't have a transcript 
> for you, but it goes something like this:
>
> "If someone wanders into the middle of the street at midnight, on 
> New Year's Eve, most of us would call that risk-taking. But if a 
> drunk driver speeds along and hits them, we don't say the pedestrian 
> deserved to die."
>
> Michelle, If you think that's useful, you are welcome to use it.
> Alice Vachss
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michelle N. Issadore 
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:42 AM
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> Subject: Drunk driving analogy
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> Hi again all,I am interested in incorporating the drunk driving 
> analogy against victim blaming (i.e. we don't excuse drunk drivers 
> because they were drunk and the drinking status of someone who gets 
> hurt is irrelevant) into our first year program. Does anyone have a 
> written version of such an analogy?Thanks!Michelle-- Michelle N. 
> IssadoreAssistant DirectorLehigh University Women?s CenterUniversity 
> Center, Room C201A29 Trembley Drive Bethlehem, PA 
> (610) 758-5808(610) 758-6960 
> faxhttp://www.lehigh.edu/~inwnc_______________________________________________SAPC 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:10:38 -0400
> From: Alison Kiss 
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> Subject: Partners for Clery Act (Victim Support Services Training) /
>         Title   IX Training for Community Victim Service Providers
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> Good afternoon:
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> We are looking for partners (specifically state sexual assault coalitions)
> to assist us by writing a letter of support/MOU for a grant proposal to
> develop a curricula and training for community rape crisis centers/victim
> service centers on the specific rights of a sexual assault/rape victim or
> survivor in a college or university setting. Our plan is to develop a day
> long training to include information on sexual assault and the Clery Act,
> Title IX as it relates to victims of sexual assault/rape on a college
> campus, and building working relationships with your local college or
> university.  Security On Campus, Inc. has a unique and thorough
> understanding of the rights of sexual assault victims/survivors on a college
> campus.  It would be a great service to community agencies to educate them
> on laws specific to college campus safety as their clients are frequently
> students at local universities. We are proposing to subsidize registration
> fee for participants.  We anticipate partnering with state coalitions so the
> centers in their state could send participants to learn about this
> information/obtain a thorough resource guide to better serve their victims.
> The planned format would be a "train the trainer" style providing agencies
> the option to train incoming staff.
>
> Please feel free to contact our office (number below) for further details or
> questions. 
>
>
> --
> Alison Kiss, MS
> Program Director
> Security on Campus, Inc.
> 133 Ivy Lane, Suite 200
> King of Prussia, PA 19406-2101
> phone: (610) 768-9330
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> www.securityoncampus.org
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:01:51 -0400
> From: "Juliette Grimmett" 
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> Subject: Re: Drunk driving analogy
> To: "Michelle N. Issadore" 
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> my response to this is looking at this as a way to reframe where the
> blame goes and stop making the point be about NOT blaming survivors and
> instead make the point about holding perps accountable.  By continuing
> to only talk about survivors, the dialogue never gets to perps and we
> continue to leave them out of this vital piece (of course not that we
> don't want to ensure survivors are not blamed - but we need to emphasize
> perps).  So, in other words, if you drive drunk and hit someone - you
> are to blame, just like if you rape someone, you are to blame.  The
> behavior of the person inflicting the crime is their own choice.
>
> Also, respectfully Alice I don't like at all using that a survivor
> drinking is risk-taking for rape (if we use your analogy below).  If we
> got rid of alcohol, rape would still occur.  If we use that rationale,
> being a woman is a risk, right?  because this is a gender-based crime.
> So, again, I would personally not use any emphasis on women or people
> drinking as risk-taking.  Finally, I am also weary of this analogy all
> together.  Someone driving drunk, while certainly has the possibility of
> hurting someone, it is not usually their intention.  They may suffer
> from alcoholism and many other issues.  Someone that rapes IS
> intentionally hurting someone every time, so this is not the same kind
> of issue and comparing the two - to me - just doesn't match up. 
>
> my two cents here...
>
> juliette
>
>
> Are you an NCSU student that is interested in being a Sexual &
> Relationship Violence Peer Educator?  Then come join The
> Movement.Application can be found online at
> http://www.ncsu.edu/womens_center/. Please contact Juliette for more
> information..
>
>
> Juliette Grimmett, MPH
> Rape Prevention Education Coordinator
> NC State University
> Women's Center
> 3120 Talley Student Center
> Campus BOX 7306
> Raleigh, NC 27695-7306
> Office: (919) 513-3232
> 24 Hour Sexual Violence Hotline: (919)618-RAPE (7273)
> Fax: (919) 515-1066
> email: 
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>  ( http://www.ncsu.edu/womens_center ;)
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> I think there *is* an analogy about drunk driving but not quite what
> you described. I've used one in speeches to try to distinguish between
> risk taking and victim blaming. I don't have a transcript for you, but
> it goes something like this:
>
> "If someone wanders into the middle of the street at midnight, on New
> Year's Eve, most of us would call that risk-taking. But if a drunk
> driver speeds along and hits them, we don't say the pedestrian deserved
> to die."
>
> Michelle, If you think that's useful, you are welcome to use it.
> Alice Vachss
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michelle N. Issadore 
> [mailto:]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:42 AM
> To: 
>
> Subject: Drunk driving analogy
>
> Hi again all,I am interested in incorporating the drunk driving analogy
> against victim blaming (i.e. we don't excuse drunk drivers because they
> were drunk and the drinking status of someone who gets hurt is
> irrelevant) into our first year program. Does anyone have a written
> version of such an analogy?Thanks!Michelle-- Michelle N.
> IssadoreAssistant DirectorLehigh University Women?s CenterUniversity
> Center, Room C201A29 Trembley Drive Bethlehem, PA
> (610)
>  758-5808(610) 758-6960
> faxhttp://www.lehigh.edu/~inwnc_______________________________________________SAPC
> mailing
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:58:33 -0600
> From: "Adriane Bang" 
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> Subject: Residence Halls:  environmental set up and chances for
>         bystander intervention
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> Good morning.  I was reading an article on the Chronicle website
> (http://chronicle.com/review/brainstorm/article/?id=464&utm_source=at&utm_medium=en)
> today and a reader's comments were about the environmental design of
> residence halls and how the reader believes this is conducive to "noise,
> drugs, and disorder..."  I was curious if anyone is familiar with
> research about how the design/environment of a hall might impact these
> issues.  I'm especially interested in any research about the design of a
> traditional room (roommates in one room) vs. a suite style set up
> (personal rooms with doors) and how the traditional room set up may/may
> not increase opportunities for bystander intervention (and reduced
> assaults).  Please let me know if you are familiar with any such
> studies, or if you know of another source in which I could seek
> information on best practices in housing.  Thanks!
>
>
> Adriane L. Bang, LMSW
> Boise State Women's Center
> 1910 University Drive
> Boise, ID 83725-1335
> (208) 426-2406
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:28:26 -0400
> From: "Coleen Harrington Barry - Counseling"
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> Subject: RE: SAPC Digest, Vol 986, Issue 1
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> I know we have an Alternative Spring Break program here at Franklin 
> Pierce that this would work well within. However, I'm wondering if 
> it could be given a name that more college aged women & men might 
> identify with, as unfortunately I think there's some resistance and 
> negative stereotyping around the word "feminist." I know that one 
> word that keeps coming up on our campus around these issues is 
> "respect." What do others think??? Any other thoughts or ideas about 
> inclusive & creative titles???
>
> Sincerely,
> Coleen
>
> Coleen Harrington Barry, M.A., Ph.D. Candidate, LCMHC
> Coordinator of Women's Crisis Center & Therapist
> Outreach Education Center
> Franklin Pierce University
> 40 University Dr.
> Rindge, NH 03461
> (603)899-4133 (front desk)
> (603)899-4135 (voicemail)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:20:27 -0400
> From: "Ben Atherton-Zeman - Feminist,      Actor and Husband"
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> Hello, friends! 
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> Many college campuses are offering "Alternative Spring Break"s that 
> provide "service learning" opportunities for students - building 
> houses, etc.  A few years back, I thought that having a "Feminist 
> Spring Break" would be fun - students go to a traditional "Spring 
> Break" party area like Daytona Beach and, instead of patronizing 
> "Wet T-shirt" contests and "Girls Gone Wild" filmings, they would do 
> three things:
>
> 1. Learn about violence against women (mornings, maybe?)
> 2. Help the local domestic violence and sexual assault programs with 
> projects they need (afternoons?)
> 3. Think up and enact creative protests to the "Girls Gone Wild" 
> type events, which I assume happen in the evening anyway. 
>
> My colleague at a college was going to partner with me to make this 
> happen through her college, but she doesn't really have the time any 
> more.  I'd be happy to cofacilitate the training and be the 
> bridge-builder with the local programs in those areas (I've had 
> initial conversations with some of them already), but I don't work 
> at a college so I can't offer internship credit, etc. 
>
> What do you think of this idea? 
>
> Until the violence stops, Ben. 
>
> Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
> Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
> Presenting a One-Man Play: "Voices of Men," www.voicesofmen.org 
> (video clips take a second to load)
> Booking information: 978-897-3619 (note new number - I moved!)
>
> Quote of the Month: May, 2008:
> ".we gain something profound when we stand up for our beliefs, just 
> as part of us dies when we know that something is wrong, yet do 
> nothing. We could call this radical dignity. We don't have to tackle 
> every issue, but if we remain silent in the face of cruelty, 
> injustice, and oppression, we sacrifice part of our soul. In this 
> sense, we keep on acting because by doing so we affirm our humanity 
> - the core of who we are, and what we hold in common with others."
> - Paul Rogat Loeb, "The Impossible Will Take a Little While: A 
> Citizen's Guide to Hope in a Time of Fear", 
> http://www.theimpossible.org/
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> Come to the NCADV conference - www.ncadv.org!  Can't afford it? 
> Apply to www.ovcttac.gov before May 20
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:29:00 -0400
> From: "Kaplan, Claire (cnk2r)" 
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> Subject: Multiple copies of SAPC
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> Hi Folks,
> Can you let me know if you receive multiple copies of emails from 
> sapc?  I'm trying to narrow down the source of a problem identified 
> by a member.
> Thanks,
> Claire
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> Claire N. Kaplan, Ph.D.
> Director, Sexual & Domestic Violence Services
> Manager, Sexual Assault Program Coordinators List
> UVA Women's Center
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