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["Juliette Grimmett" <>]

my response to this is looking at this as a way to reframe where the
blame goes and stop making the point be about NOT blaming survivors and
instead make the point about holding perps accountable.  By continuing
to only talk about survivors, the dialogue never gets to perps and we
continue to leave them out of this vital piece (of course not that we
don't want to ensure survivors are not blamed - but we need to emphasize
perps).  So, in other words, if you drive drunk and hit someone - you
are to blame, just like if you rape someone, you are to blame.  The
behavior of the person inflicting the crime is their own choice.  
 
Also, respectfully Alice I don't like at all using that a survivor
drinking is risk-taking for rape (if we use your analogy below).  If we
got rid of alcohol, rape would still occur.  If we use that rationale,
being a woman is a risk, right?  because this is a gender-based crime. 
So, again, I would personally not use any emphasis on women or people
drinking as risk-taking.  Finally, I am also weary of this analogy all
together.  Someone driving drunk, while certainly has the possibility of
hurting someone, it is not usually their intention.  They may suffer
from alcoholism and many other issues.  Someone that rapes IS
intentionally hurting someone every time, so this is not the same kind
of issue and comparing the two - to me - just doesn't match up.  
 
my two cents here...
 
juliette
 

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>>>  5/21/2008 3:50 PM >>>
I think there *is* an analogy about drunk driving but not quite what
you described. I've used one in speeches to try to distinguish between
risk taking and victim blaming. I don't have a transcript for you, but
it goes something like this:

"If someone wanders into the middle of the street at midnight, on New
Year's Eve, most of us would call that risk-taking. But if a drunk
driver speeds along and hits them, we don't say the pedestrian deserved
to die." 

Michelle, If you think that's useful, you are welcome to use it.
Alice Vachss


-----Original Message-----
From: Michelle N. Issadore 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:42 AM
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Subject: Drunk driving analogy

Hi again all,I am interested in incorporating the drunk driving analogy
against victim blaming (i.e. we don't excuse drunk drivers because they
were drunk and the drinking status of someone who gets hurt is
irrelevant) into our first year program. Does anyone have a written
version of such an analogy?Thanks!Michelle-- Michelle N.
IssadoreAssistant DirectorLehigh University Women’s CenterUniversity
Center, Room C201A29 Trembley Drive Bethlehem, PA
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