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["Juliette Grimmett" <>]

Thank you Chris, for saying this.  I fully agree with all of it.  In
fact, the heterosexist perspective and lack of attention to other
subcultures as well as its lack of bystander programming were my two
biggest critiques when I provided the creators with feedback.  I think
you make a very good argument about why this may not work.  A bunch of
their stats are not what I would choose to use either.  The faces and
names behind the program are also mostly men, which was a concern of
mine at the beginning.  They assured me that they had a variety of women
working contractually to inform the program....

Also, we were able to use this program on a trial basis for free last
semester, none of our own funds were used. I did a lot of intentional
programming on our campus with the LGBTQI community to supplement what
was missing in the program.  If this program is something that folks are
interested in, that may also be an approach to take - intentionally
focused programming for communities not included.  AT the same time, the
message it send to the campus that they are not included form the
beginning can certainly be detrimental.  I know for many of us these are
always difficult situations - not enough time, want folks to learn about
these issues, its not perfect, and in some respects can be detrimental,
and is it worse for some students to receive nothing at all or for
everyone to receive some that may not reflect their communities,
cultures, experiences, ugghh. 

I actually did not know that they used the male on male rape approach
in this program.  I am not sure how I missed that.  I am not an advocate
for that approach at all.

I also fully agree that if our administrations could give US the 6/7/8
dollars a person instead, we could potentially hire a whole new staff
person that could present this work in the way that fits our own
ideologies.  

lots to consider here...


"It's so liberating and important for men to understand that they can
actually be friendly to women instead of playing some gender-specific
role, and that women are in most ways the same as they are. I think that
lots of women already know that, but not so many guys do."  -my dad
8/3/07
 
Juliette Grimmett, MPH
Rape Prevention Education Coordinator
NC State University
Women's Center
3120 Talley Student Center
Campus BOX 7306
Raleigh, NC 27695-7306
Office: (919) 513-3232
24 Hour Sexual Violence Hotline: (919)618-RAPE (7273)
Fax: (919) 515-1066
email: 

website: http://www.ncsu.edu/womens_center
 


>>> "Linder,Chris" 
>>> <>
>>>  12/11/2007 12:30 PM
>>>
Hi All,

I have some significant concerns around the material included in this
online sexual assault program. While I recognize that it clearly works
for some campuses with limited staff and resources, I think it is
important to recognize that this program is at best heterosexist and at
worst homophobic. The use of male on male rape to evoke empathy in
college men has been controversial for some time, and this program uses
that perspective. I think the homophobic message inherent in this type
of "empathy" causes far more damage than good. In addition, the video
perpetuates many essentializing messages around gender that further
alienates transgender and gender-queer students. We have done a
disservice to the GLB and Transgender community for far too long and I
think that the use of heterosexist material continues this. I'm not sure
how to counter this when doing these kinds of generic programs that
might be better than not doing anything, but I think it needs to at
least be acknowledg
 ed.

In addition to the lack of messages around GLB and T issues, it also
does not address other marginalized populations - issues around sexual
assault are different in communities of color and the disabled community
than they are in the dominant culture, and this program does not address
these factors either.

It is also expensive. If someone would give our office $6 for every
incoming student to our campus, we could do a lot to reach incoming
students in various ways - potentially multiple programs in 1st year
classes.

Just some more food for thought...

Chris




Chris Linder
Director, Women's Programs & Studies
112  Student Services
Fort Collins, CO 80523-8200
Phone: (970) 491-6384
Fax: (970) 491-4922

 
wps.colostate.edu

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[mailto:]
 On Behalf Of Juliette
Grimmett
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:48 AM
To: Katherine G Rose-Mockry; 
;
 Candace
Daniels
Subject: RE: online sexual assault program

Hi Kathy and everyone else-

your concerns are all very valid.  Ultimately, just like with any
program, there is no perfect way to do this.  My thoughts are that
this
program is a great way to get something out to all of your students as
long as you ALSO continue to do programming all over campus to show
that
there is a person behind this AND that they know there is someone they
can speak with.  By itself with no follow-up, not a great idea.

I definitely heard that some of our students multi-tasked during the
program and that can't be helped.  Even in a classroom, who knows
which
students are doing something else...what can be an advantage to this
program is that for students that are very uncomfortable in groups or
for those that may be triggered, this type of module allows students
to
do it on their own time, in phases, and in a place that they feel
safe.


I looked at this program as being able to do SOMETHING that I can't. 
I
alone cannot go and provide a baseline program for all 5000+
first-year
students.  Some of them I will be able to reach in a classroom, RA
training, housing workshop, etc., but it is not guaranteed.  This at
least ensures the opportunity of reaching them all, and provides some
baseline if I get to meet with them in person.  From the data we have
been collecting, most students incoming students (upwards of 90%) have
not received any SV programming before coming to campus, so this is
better than nothing.

Also, while modules with acting can have a cheese factor, they are a
million times better than the SexualAssault EDU program and have some
diversity in their members.  I haven't gone through all of our
evaluations/data, but overall it seems that at least our students did
not find it too cheesy, but it is definitely a great idea to ask your
students what they think.

Also, the price is what they call "the price of a movie ticket per
person."  So, somewhere around $7/8 per student is my guess.  You may
be
able to work out a figure that works for both of you if you decide to
go
ahead with the program.

All this said, it is a huge cost and something that I believe the
University/College itself should pay for - not the Women's Centers and
IPV centers.  Many are paying for the Alcohol EDU program, we need to
get them on board with this as well.

juliette

"It's so liberating and important for men to understand that they can
actually be friendly to women instead of playing some gender-specific
role, and that women are in most ways the same as they are. I think
that
lots of women already know that, but not so many guys do."  -my dad
8/3/07

Juliette Grimmett, MPH
Rape Prevention Education Coordinator
NC State University
Women's Center
3120 Talley Student Center
Campus BOX 7306
Raleigh, NC 27695-7306
Office: (919) 513-3232
24 Hour Sexual Violence Hotline: (919)618-RAPE (7273)
Fax: (919) 515-1066
email: 

 
website: http://www.ncsu.edu/womens_center ;



>>> "Rose-Mockry, Katherine G" 
>>> <>
>>>  12/11/2007 11:26
AM
>>>
Hi Candace and group members,

I received this information as well and visited the site to view the
program.  From my perspective, it is a good idea but has some inherent
problems:

1.  Students can multi-task (or simply not attend to it) while
watching.
The video producers have included a pre and post test to make it less
likely students will stop watching it altogether, but I think smart
students know how to answer these with limited involvement.

2.  It is easier to not connect emotionally when watching a video than
in a presentation.  I've always felt that one of our most important
tasks is connecting with students on an emotional level, which is
where
the real change comes about.

3.  The student actors come off as too "scripted" and the dialogue
seems
a bit insincere for me - students may not see it the way I do though.

I am going to get some of our students to take a look at it and give
me
feedback - would like to know what those of you who have used it think
about it.  I also notice it's hard to get specific info about the cost
of this program.

Kathy

Kathy Rose-Mockry
Program Director, Emily Taylor Women's Resource Center
University of Kansas
(785) 864-3552

 
www.etwrc.ku.edu 

The Student Involvement and Leadership Center exists because
involvement
enhances learning




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 On Behalf Of Daniels,
Candace
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:00 AM
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Subject: online sexual assault program


Hello all -



I just received a brochure in the mail about an online sexual assault
prevention program called nformd.net (http://nformd.net ;
<http://nformd.net/> ). I have never heard of it before today, and
wanted to know if anyone has any experience with it. If you have used
it, how was it received on your campus? Do the students actually visit
the site?



Thanks!!





Candace Daniels

Sexual Assault Response and Prevention Coordinator

St. Mary's College of Maryland

TEL: 240.895.4289


 



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