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- Subject: Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano)
- Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 20:25:29 +0000
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Thanks, Rob. That's what I get for not reading closely enough!
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From: Rob Haskins <>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2023 3:24 PM
To: Sara Haefeli <>
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Subject: Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano)
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2023 3:24 PM
To: Sara Haefeli <>
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Subject: Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano)
This message originated from outside the Ithaca College email system.
If memory serves, Zukofsky is referring to a solo violin version of Cheap Imitation, which indeed was concluded. Incidentally, I believe Morton Feldman made an arrangement for glock, piano,
and violin? I may be wrong on the instrumentation.
On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 2:57 PM Sara Haefeli <> wrote:
Check out Paul Zukofsky, "John Cage's Recent Violin Music," in A John Cage Reader: In Celebration of His 70th Birthday, ed. Peter Gena, Jonathan Brent, and Don Gillespie, 101–06. C. F. Peters, 1982.
This book chapter describes the collaborative compositional history of the violin version. I don't remember coming across any evidence that Cage "rejected" the piece. But I may be mistaken!
Sara
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Subject: Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano)This message originated from outside the Ithaca College email system.
John - -
I don't know about this version of Cheap Imitation, but now I'm curious. Do you know how the violin and piano share the material? It's a one-line composition - do the instruments alternate phrases or engage in some other kind of alternation? Play in unison?
louie
On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 12:10 PM John Hails <> wrote:
Dear sigiphilesI have a question about the violin and piano version of Cheap Imitation.Paul van Emmerik marks it as 'unfinished (rejected)'.I'm curious as to how this came to be. I was interested in possibly 'completing' or at least processing it in some fashion so that it is performable, but if Cage rejected it...Any information will be gratefully consumedBest wishesJohn
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[silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano),
John Hails, 02/21/2023
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Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano),
Goldstein, Louis, 02/22/2023
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Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano),
Sara Haefeli, 02/22/2023
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Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano),
Rob Haskins, 02/22/2023
- Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano), Sara Haefeli, 02/22/2023
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Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano),
Mode Admin, 02/22/2023
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Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano),
Thomas Moore, 02/22/2023
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Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano),
Mode Admin, 02/22/2023
- Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano), Rob Haskins, 02/22/2023
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Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano),
Mode Admin, 02/22/2023
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Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano),
Thomas Moore, 02/22/2023
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Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano),
Rob Haskins, 02/22/2023
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Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano),
Sara Haefeli, 02/22/2023
- Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano), Thomas Farmer, 02/23/2023
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Re: [silence] Cheap Imitation (violin and piano),
Goldstein, Louis, 02/22/2023
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