Subject: Scholarly discussion of the music of John Cage.
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- From: Andrew Culver <>
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- Subject: [silence] Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Aleat oric € Indeterminacy € Chance
- Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:03:04 -0500
Hello Silence Listers.
John Cage was on a project, to free himself from his likes and dislikes.
Simultaneously, he felt obliged to maintain a commitment to composing music.
It is not hard to understand the potential conflict between these two paths.
His solution was the use of I Ching chance operations while composing.
If you try to see it from this perspective, it is a simple matter to
understand what chance meant to him.
From the listener's perspective, things get confused, as demonstrated by this
discussion.
As for performers, I need to get personal. I have composed a lot of music
using chance operations, and I find it shifts the experience from one of
self-expression to one of self-alteration. (John, incidentally, employed like
words in this regard.)
When guiding performers, I have found it useful to invite this same
experience: rather than express yourself, just play and listen to the work as
written and unwritten, and in time you will notice the change that you are
producing in yourself.
Then you are there; and there is not a state, it is a never-ending process.
Now, going back to the listener's perspective, if the essential qualities of
a correct performance come from a process of active and continual change in
the performers, the music cannot be fixed, will never be repeated, and it is
incorrect to attempt to bind it to a definition that focuses on the result.
We could, of course, rely on a definition that puts this self-altering
process at the centre. Why don't we call it change music?
Andrew Culver
- [silence] Re: Aleatoric • Indeterminacy • C hance, (continued)
- [silence] Re: Aleatoric • Indeterminacy • C hance, David P Miller, 02/12/2013
- [silence] Re: Re: Aleatoric • Indeterminacy • Chance, Rod Stasick, 02/12/2013
- [silence] Re: Re: Re: Aleatoric Indeterminacy
Chance, S.E.M. Ensemble, 02/12/2013
- [silence] Re: Re: Aleatoric Indeterminacy Chance, Charles Turner, 02/12/2013
- [silence] Re: Re: Re: Aleatoric Indeterminacy Chance, Petr Kotik, 02/12/2013
- [silence] Re: Re: Re: Re: Aleatoric € Indeter minacy € Chance, Bill Trigg, 02/12/2013
- [silence] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Aleatoric € Inde terminacy € Chance, Carl Heppenstall, 02/12/2013
- [silence] RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Aleatoric € Indeterminacy € Chance, Russell Goodwin, 02/13/2013
- [silence] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Aleatoric € Indeterminacy € Chance, Stefano Pocci, 02/13/2013
- [silence] Re: Aleatoric € Indeterminacy € C hance, Ben Judson, 02/13/2013
- [silence] Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Aleat oric € Indeterminacy € Chance, Andrew Culver, 02/13/2013
- [silence] Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Aleatori c ⚁ Indeterminacy ⚁ Chance, Rod Stasick, 02/13/2013
- [silence] Re: Re: Aleatoric Indeterminacy Chance, Charles Turner, 02/12/2013
- [silence] Re: Aleatoric € Indeterminacy € C hance, Ben Judson, 02/13/2013
- [silence] Re: Re: Aleatoric € Indeterminacy € Chance, Rob Haskins, 02/13/2013
- [silence] Re: Re: Re: Aleatoric ⚂ Indeterminac y ⚀ Chance, Rod Stasick, 02/13/2013
- [silence] Re: Re: Re: Aleatoric € Indeterminac y € Chance, Semih Firincioglu, 02/14/2013
- [silence] Fwd: Re: Re: Re: Aleatoric € Indete rminacy € Chance, william brooks, 02/14/2013
- [silence] Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Re: Aleatoric ⚁ Ind eterminacy ⚂ Chance, Rod Stasick, 02/16/2013
- [silence] Re: Re: Re: Aleatoric Indeterminacy
Chance, S.E.M. Ensemble, 02/12/2013
- [silence] Re: Re: Aleatoric • Indeterminacy • Chance, Rod Stasick, 02/12/2013
- [silence] Re: Aleatoric • Indeterminacy • C hance, David P Miller, 02/12/2013
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