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["Juliette Grimmett" <>]

Dear Amanda, I am reading what you wrote, and the bottom line for me is
that I am not of the belief that men just didn't realize they raped
someone.  I am also talking about coercion here and am very concerned
about the idea that we can just show men how to communicate and that
will end rape - this to me assumes that  they are these poor guys that
don't get it.  I just don't believe that and the research doesn't show
that either.  David Lisak's work on the undetected rapist speaks very
clearly about how intentional and planned these acts are and if we focus
rape/sexual battery prevention programs on thinking we can just get
these guys to get it - I really think we are missing the boat.  The
average person that rapes starts at age 13 - this is a learned behavior
most of the time.  While we may get a *few* random guys, I just don't
believe this is the way to prevent rape.  I really fear it minimizes the
acts and let's these 4-6.4% of men that rape, off the hook.
 
 
 

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Juliette Grimmett, MPH
Rape Prevention Education Coordinator
NC State University
Women's Center
3120 Talley Student Center
Campus BOX 7306
Raleigh, NC 27695-7306
Office: (919) 513-3232
24 Hour Sexual Violence Hotline: (919)618-RAPE (7273)
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 ( http://www.ncsu.edu/womens_center ;) 
 


>>> Amanda Childress 
>>> <>
>>>  7/21/2008 3:51 PM >>>
We may have to consider the laws by state and consider what we're
looking for 
in a presentation. In Ohio, are sexual assault continuum looks at
sexual 
battery and rape very differently and our campus has more of a sexual
battery 
problem than rape, according to our legal definitions.

Sexual Battery: as 'COERCING another person into any type of
intercourse that 
the person does not want OR having intercourse when the person's
ability to 
consent is impaired by alcohol or other intoxicants.' 

Rape: 'using force or the threat of force to have intercourse OR
sustantially 
impairing another's judgement with a controlled substance to have
intercourse.

On most college campuses you're looking at SA's that involve coercion
and 
alcohol, not always force or the threat of force. The Sex Signals
program may 
not do a very good job if you're trying to address a campus culture of
forced 
RAPE. Because they don't hit on the force/threat of force or drugged
assaults. 
Their program looks more at the coercion and miscommunication that men
and 
women tend to do by assuming one thing and acting on it instead of
checking to 
get consent or verbalizing your wants. Even though it is still the one
who 
ACTS that is at fault, usually being the male. Most likely they need a
better 
disclaimer or introduction to address this in the Sex Signals program,
but 
their program tends to hit the perpretrators that "DON'T think that
what 
they're doing is sexual assault." The average Joes that were/are
socialized to 
think "she's playing hard to get, so I should keep persuing" or the
average 
Janes who think "I don't really like what he's doing, but it's not nice
to 
tell him that." Their program looks at risk reduction as to how each
person, 
male or female can reduce their risk of people getting in these
situations, 
where one person thinks it's consensual and the other feels violated. 

Hope that helps. 

Amanda Childress




Quoting Tom Schiff 
<>:

> My experience of it was that it wasn't overt enough. The students
> with whom 
> I spoke used the word manipulated. And condescension. And again I
> agree with 
> Juliette, they seemed to focus on mis-communication, and thus could
> be 
> perceived has supporting victim blaming.
> 
> Another piece that Juliette brought up which I find interesting is
> about 
> behavior change. Has this program, or other similar programs, done
> any 
> evaluation of impact (not whether folks were entertained)?
> 
> Sorry if I sound cynical. Not my best day today. However, I will add
> that 
> perhaps this program could be very effective if framed well in the
> context 
> of lots of other ongoing work.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chad Sniffen" 
> <>
> To: 
> <>
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:45 PM
> Subject: RE: Looking for speaker team
> 
> 
> > Tom, could you say a little bit more about what you found to be
> > manipulative about it?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chad
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 
> > 
> >  
> > [mailto:]
> >  On Behalf Of Tom
> Schiff
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:42 AM
> > To: 
> > 
> >  
> > Subject: Re: Looking for speaker team
> >
> > I saw this production a few years ago, and unless it has changed,
> I
> > would agree with Juliette. I found it to be manipulative. Isn't
> that
> > something we are working against?
> >
> > Perhaps Jackson, etc. have women with whom they work and with whom
> you
> > could con-contract. MVP out of Northeastern typically has female /
> male
> > teams working together.
> >
> > Tom Schiff, Ed.D.
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Division of Student Affairs
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