Subject: Scholarly discussion of the music of John Cage.
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- From: "hans w. koch" <>
- To: Joseph Zitt <>
- Cc: "" <>
- Subject: [silence] Re: looking for the original text of a cage quote
- Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 09:09:37 +0200
thank you so much, joseph!
that really helps a lot, problem solved.
best from cologne
hans
> Am 07.04.2016 um 04:33 schrieb Joseph Zitt
> <>:
>
> The Waddington text (to which Rob supplied the link) is quoted in
> Kostelanetz's "Conversing with Cage":
>
> "If the music can accept ambient sounds and not be interrupted thereby,
> it's a modern piece of music. If, with a composition by Beethoven, a baby
> crying, or someone in the audience coughing, interrupts the music, then we
> know that it isn't modern."
>
> Google Books says that it's on page 58 of the Waddington and page 214 of
> the Kostelanetz.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 5:33 PM, hans w. koch
> <>
> wrote:
> dear silencers,
>
> in a german text about the german soundart event brueckenmusik
> (www.brueckenmusik.de), the author quotes cage from a conversation with
> c.h. waddington in 1972.
> the german version runs like: „Wenn Musik Umweltgeräusche zulassen kann,
> ohne davon beeinträchtigt zu werden, so handelt es sich um moderne Musik.
> Wenn, wie bei einer Kom- position von Beethoven, ein schreiendes Baby oder
> ein hustender Gast die Zuhörer störend beeinflusst, dann wissen wir, dass
> es keine moderne Musik ist.“
>
> which in english is something like: “If music can allow environmental
> noises without being disturbed by them, then it is modern music.
> If, with a composition by Beethoven, a crying baby or a coughing member of
> the audience influence the listeners in a disturbing way, then we know that
> it is not modern music.”
>
> now, since the publication is meant to be german/english, it doesn´t make
> much sense to retranslate that quote into english.
> i ´d be extremely grateful, if someone could give me the correct english
> wording.
>
> thank you in advance
>
> hans w. koch
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> --
> Joseph Zitt :: http://www.josephzitt.com
> "Write what you dream. Shoot what you can. Edit what you have." -- Unknown
- [silence] looking for the original text of a cage quote, hans w. koch, 04/06/2016
- [silence] Re: looking for the original text of a cage quote, Petr Kotik, 04/06/2016
- [silence] Re: looking for the original text of a cage quote, hans w. koch, 04/06/2016
- [silence] Re: looking for the original text of a cage quote, Rob Haskins, 04/06/2016
- [silence] Re: looking for the original text of a cage quote, Joseph Zitt, 04/06/2016
- [silence] Re: looking for the original text of a cage quote, hans w. koch, 04/07/2016
- [silence] Re: Re: looking for the original text of a cage quote, Rod Stasick, 04/16/2016
- [silence] Re: looking for the original text of a cage quote, Petr Kotik, 04/06/2016
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