Scholarly discussion of the music of John Cage.

[Richard Leigh <>]

It was interesting to learn from Ed Crooks about the ancient vinyl with the Cage quote. As the image of the record sleeve is not legible, would it be possible for the relevant text to be posted on this site? It might give someone a clue to the origin of the quote, which I don't recall having seen before. I agree with Rob Haskins about the need for a concordance - a major undertaking, if  anyone has a spare lifetime.

Richard Leigh

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Table of contents:

1. [silence] Re: Centenary Events in New York - Lê Quan Ninh <>
2. [silence] Source of Cage Quote - "Daniel Wolf" <>
3. [silence] Re: Source of Cage Quote - Rob Haskins <>
4. [silence] Re: Source of Cage Quote - Ed Crooks <>
5. [silence] Re: Re: Source of Cage Quote - Rob Haskins <>


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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:17:20 +0200
From: Lê Quan Ninh <>
Subject: [silence] Re: Centenary Events in New York

Le 31 juil. 2012 � 22:11, <>
<> a �crit :

> Does anybody know of any Cage events/concerts happening in New York on 5th
> September?

Hello,
I had been called to participate to an event organized by the Danspaceproject
on September 5th in NYC, invitation which as been unfortunately cancelled. But
the event will probably happen. At it doesn't seem to appear on their web site
(http://http//danspaceproject.org) you should give them a call.

Ninh

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Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:33:16 +0200
From: "Daniel Wolf" <>
Subject: [silence] Source of Cage Quote

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A journalist has asked me if I know the source for the following quote:

"You don't have to call it music if the term shocks you"

It is used frequently online, including on Peter's page for Cage.  But the 
only attribution I have is "John Cage (1982)".    My guess is that it could 
be in the last part of the Diary, but I don't have a copy of X here.

Daniel Wolf
Frankfurt


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Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:40:00 -0400
From: Rob Haskins <>
Subject: [silence] Re: Source of Cage Quote

It's not in that last Diary installment. It sounds more like an interview
or perhaps a headnote, but I checked the latter in X and no luck. 1982
texts listed in A John Cage Compendium inconclusive. Sorry I couldn't be
more help.

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Daniel Wolf <> wrote:

> A journalist has asked me if I know the source for the following quote:
>
> "You don't have to call it music if the term shocks you"
>
> It is used frequently online, including on Peter's page for Cage.  But the
> only attribution I have is "John Cage (1982)".  My guess is that it could
> be in the last part of the Diary, but I don't have a copy of X here.
>
> Daniel Wolf
> Frankfurt
>



--
Rob Haskins, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Music, College of Liberal Arts
University of New Hampshire
M-105, Paul Creative Arts Center
30 Academic Way
Durham, NH 03824
603-862-3987 (office)
603-862-3155 (fax)
<http://unh.edu/music/>
<http://robhaskins.net/>
<http://musicandmiscellaneous.blogspot.com/>


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Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:47:09 +0100 (BST)
From: Ed Crooks <>
Subject: [silence] Re: Source of Cage Quote

Like Rob, I couldn't find it in X.�Although probably not the origin of the
quotation, the dating of 1982 may refer to the�appearance�of the phrase in
question on the sleeve of a 1982 experimental music compilation LP called 'An
Afflicted Man's Musica Box' released by the label United Dairies and featuring
tracks by artists including AMM.�Images of sleeve
at�http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=1137789

best,
Ed


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From: Daniel Wolf <>
To: "" <>
Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2012, 13:33
Subject: [silence] Source of Cage Quote

A journalist has asked me if I know the source for the following quote:

"You don't have to call it music if the term shocks you"

It is used frequently online, including on Peter's page for Cage.� But the only
attribution I have is "John Cage (1982)".� My guess is that it could be in the
last part of the Diary, but I don't have a copy of X here.

Daniel Wolf
Frankfurt


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Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:52:17 -0400
From: Rob Haskins <>
Subject: [silence] Re: Re: Source of Cage Quote

we really need a Cage Concordance. :) Someone should get right on that.

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Ed Crooks <>wrote:

> Like Rob, I couldn't find it in X. Although probably not the origin of
> the quotation, the dating of 1982 may refer to the appearance of the
> phrase in question on the sleeve of a 1982 experimental music compilation
> LP called 'An Afflicted Man's Musica Box' released by the label United
> Dairies and featuring tracks by artists including AMM. Images of sleeve
> at http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=1137789
>
> best,
> Ed
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Daniel Wolf <>
> *To:* "" <>
> *Sent:* Saturday, 11 August 2012, 13:33
> *Subject:* [silence] Source of Cage Quote
>
> A journalist has asked me if I know the source for the following quote:
>
> "You don't have to call it music if the term shocks you"
>
> It is used frequently online, including on Peter's page for Cage.  But the
> only attribution I have is "John Cage (1982)".  My guess is that it could
> be in the last part of the Diary, but I don't have a copy of X here.
>
> Daniel Wolf
> Frankfurt
>
>
>


--
Rob Haskins, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Music, College of Liberal Arts
University of New Hampshire
M-105, Paul Creative Arts Center
30 Academic Way
Durham, NH 03824
603-862-3987 (office)
603-862-3155 (fax)
<http://unh.edu/music/>
<http://robhaskins.net/>
<http://musicandmiscellaneous.blogspot.com/>


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