Scholarly discussion of the music of John Cage.

[matteo pittoni <>]

As the partition talks about performing an action, and we try to recall the devotion to rational thought always showed by John Cage, I believe there is no reason to think that it should last zero seconds. 

As for the reason of the title, maybe he used this to suggest the absence of a time measure : thus, a temporal indeterminacy. 

In 4'33', there was a constraint on duration, but no constraint on any action ; maybe 0'00'' is meant to constrain the action (which must be disciplined) but not duration... 

Best regards, 

Matteo

On 25 October 2011 22:38, David Badagnani <> wrote:

Great discussion.  I can't think of any better use for this list!

If 0'00" is not the duration of the piece, why is it entitled that?  From all this discussion, I'm still not sure I understand that.  Is the lack of time in the title metaphorical?  And is there not at least a hint of humor?  First came the white paintings, then the silent piece of 4 minutes and 33 seconds' duration, then the very loud piece of no duration...it simply seems to be taking an idea to its logical extreme.

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David Badagnani
Kent, Ohio

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From: Matt Rogalsky <>
To: Vitor Rua <>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:09 PM
Subject: [silence] Re: Re: Re: 0'00" is a joke...

OK, you pulled me in to make one more reply.

On 2011-10-25, at 4:01 PM, Vitor Rua wrote:

> oh pleaseeeeeee... not even einstein will think that this composition must be performed... unless they perform on a warm whole or something...theres no DURATION !!!!!

The title of this piece is not its duration. The score instructions make that clear.

>> think of some of the more abstract Fluxus era compositions by La Monte Young and others, for instance, which really are not really performable in a concert hall sense).
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> I have performed almost all the pieces

But not all.. because some cannot be performed in a concert-hall sense.
Such as: "This piece is little whirlpools in the middle of the ocean" (that's from memory, please forgive if I am paraphrasing)

OK, bye! That's the end of my contribution to this discussion!

in friendship,
Matt R