Subject: Scholarly discussion of the music of John Cage.
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- From: Zachary Bond <>
- To: Silence <>
- Subject: [silence] Re: Re: Re: Mesostic generator
- Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 00:33:40 -0400
I was sad that the online "mesostic" generator was taken down and replaced with a juvenile message instead of being fixed, so I whipped up a generator in the Python programming language. It obeys the 100% rule, but I was surprised at how many other decisions I had to make about how to limit the number of wing words, how to actually go about selecting the words with the mesostic letter, etc. Basically, I choose the word by searching from a random point in the text. Then, I select up to 12 wing words, with the 12 distributed randomly on either side of the center word (for example, a line might have a max of 3 on the left, max of 9 on the right). Only rarely do you ever get 12 since usually a rule violation typically occurs first. I also made it circular, so that the first letter obeys the rule with respect to the last letter--that's to avoid having conspicuously long starting and ending lines.
I did not try to prevent the same word being used more than once--I seem to recall repeats in some of Cage's mesostics, and sometimes you don't have a choice if your source text doesn't have many Zs, Js, etc.
The next step is to figure out how to get this on a website with a usable interface. It's been a fun way to refresh my Python skills.
Here's an example based on 10 iterations of "Mesostic" and the Wikipedia entry on Cage as a source text. Suggestions welcome. Hope you've got a fixed width font.
Here's an example based on 10 iterations of "Mesostic" and the Wikipedia entry on Cage as a source text. Suggestions welcome. Hope you've got a fixed width font.
-Zac Bond
that case I will devote My
AftEr
See
Of 1953. While at Black
muSic.
The same
Cowell also advIsed that, before
1933, Cage
IMitation,
partnEr
Started
4'33?.[109] The develOpment
iS
The
July 2012 "performed an engrossIng
art heroes".[115] Centenary
IndeterMinacy:
criticizEd
inStrument during the entire
included David TudOr, M. C.
aS well
had Troubled Cage
sIx
to aChieve a bubble
desert at YuMa, Arizona, on
appEal
muSic
III, IV and V, which are On a chamber
Said, "In
Ryoanji, eTc.)
he's an Inventor-of
sCulpture
While Much of
and John CagE
waS
Of
with Schoenberg in California:
The
In
Cage pursued a
probleMs is
and groups in a largE
iS
prepared pianO (1950-51)
Cage had uSed chance on a few earlier
in Four ParTs (1950) Cage
In a
faCt, a "happening" is
systeM,
chancE
waS "an
accOrding
Cage waS
(1982). These were
Is not
Consist just of text
favorite books, and one froM which
of thE
Spent the
That cOnvinced me that the
fragmentS
wiTh
of some 550 possIble aggregates,
sound produCtion, or the
Several Months
incidEnt
for a Single
technique."[96] PrOminent
The piece waS
Cage lefT
performer's lIkes and
of works, the so-Called
situation in 1951 worsened so Much that,
(1961-62), a work basEd
piano (1950-51) uSed
Cage invited unOfficially.
waS
nighTs, and four hours of
leanIngs.[68] One11
1928. Often Crossing
that case I will devote My
AftEr
See
Of 1953. While at Black
muSic.
The same
Cowell also advIsed that, before
1933, Cage
IMitation,
partnEr
Started
4'33?.[109] The develOpment
iS
The
July 2012 "performed an engrossIng
art heroes".[115] Centenary
IndeterMinacy:
criticizEd
inStrument during the entire
included David TudOr, M. C.
aS well
had Troubled Cage
sIx
to aChieve a bubble
desert at YuMa, Arizona, on
appEal
muSic
III, IV and V, which are On a chamber
Said, "In
Ryoanji, eTc.)
he's an Inventor-of
sCulpture
While Much of
and John CagE
waS
Of
with Schoenberg in California:
The
In
Cage pursued a
probleMs is
and groups in a largE
iS
prepared pianO (1950-51)
Cage had uSed chance on a few earlier
in Four ParTs (1950) Cage
In a
faCt, a "happening" is
systeM,
chancE
waS "an
accOrding
Cage waS
(1982). These were
Is not
Consist just of text
favorite books, and one froM which
of thE
Spent the
That cOnvinced me that the
fragmentS
wiTh
of some 550 possIble aggregates,
sound produCtion, or the
Several Months
incidEnt
for a Single
technique."[96] PrOminent
The piece waS
Cage lefT
performer's lIkes and
of works, the so-Called
situation in 1951 worsened so Much that,
(1961-62), a work basEd
piano (1950-51) uSed
Cage invited unOfficially.
waS
nighTs, and four hours of
leanIngs.[68] One11
1928. Often Crossing
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Goldstein, Louis <> wrote:
Right - they were "puny mesostics," barely there. Wing words are another thing that that computer program didn't do. I think after you find the next word that straddles the mesostic letter you can continue as far as the text will let you and still observe the rule. And that is a matter of choice, right? John suggested putting a limit on how many characters a line could be, 43, but I think he always mentioned that as a suggested number.Louie, checking his memoryOn Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Stefano Pocci <> wrote:
On 04/07/2013 12:45 PM, Dionysis Boukouvalas wrote:
The page is down now as someone said earlier. I have a question about "Writing throughs..." however.
When extracting mesostics out of a pre-existing text, would you only take words containing the meso-letters - provided that either the 50% or the 100% rule are respected - or would you also keep the words in between those containing the meso-letters which still respect the before mentioned rules?
Just asking, as the product of that online application basically had one word per line. Thin mesostics, so to speak.
-- Stefano In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed —but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. - Harry Lime (Orson Welles) in the "The Third Man" -
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