Scholarly discussion of the music of John Cage.

[Carl Heppenstall <heppenstall_at_kc@msn.com>]

I think the Cage rules were applied when he was using text as a source; whereas a mesostic doesn't have rules as to occurrence or recurrence. I think that's right because it is normally created from scratch if by the poet.

Best,

Carl

Sent from my Bicycle.

On Apr 9, 2013, at 2:18 PM, "Dionysis Boukouvalas" <paistinpotamia@hotmail.com> wrote:

So, they are just not Cagean mesostics. But still, technically they are mesostics, in that the term just defines the word going down in the middle, as opposed to acrostic of course. Isn't that Cage's definition of it? The added rules is a thing of his, but I don't regard it as generally limiting. But, hey, since we are talking Cage here, sure it would be nice to have these variable choices available, as to 50%, 100% (or... 0%!)

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 15:10:12 -0400
From: rob.haskins@gmail.com
To: heppenstall_at_kc@msn.com
CC: paistinpotamia@hotmail.com; silence@list.mail.virginia.edu
Subject: [silence] Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Mesostic generator

Sorry, bad editing. Let's say that two successive letters of a string are C and A. in the 100% mesostic, C and A can't appear in the uncapitalized letters between these two mesoletters; in the 50%, only C could. 

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Rob Haskins <rob.haskins@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, they aren't true mesostics even in Cage's definition. According to Cage's practice, he distinguished between 50% and 100% meesostics. In the 100% kind, neither letter 2 successive letters in the mesostic string can appear in the uncapitalized letters between them. In the 50% kind, the first letter can't appear. The mesostic generator doesn't make this distinction. I'm sure that's what Rod's referring to.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Carl Heppenstall <heppenstall_at_kc@msn.com> wrote:

One thing that makes it less engaging is inability to find a website that is purely textual, pure source and does not have all of the other obtrusive Internet phrasing.

Best,

Carl

Sent from my Bicycle.

On Apr 9, 2013, at 1:18 PM, "Dionysis Boukouvalas" <paistinpotamia@hotmail.com> wrote:

They sure look like mesostics to me. Why are you saying that they are not mesostics? I'm guessing you are referring to the mesostic rules here?

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From: rod@stasick.org
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:52:26 -0500
To: silence@list.mail.virginia.edu
Subject: [silence] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Mesostic generator

It's a "mesostic generator" that doesn't generate mesostics.

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On apr 9, 2556 BE, at 09:46, Dionysis Boukouvalas wrote:

Because I don't want to search it now, what exactly is the problem?

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From: rod@stasick.org
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:11:48 -0500
To: silence@list.mail.virginia.edu
Subject: [silence] Re: RE: Re: Re: Mesostic generator

Well, the idea is nice - and the look is attractive,

but a pretty car that doesn't work properly is

pretty much useless no matter what kinds of 

variables or, as the software creator states,

"extended features" and "additional options"

it has. I may drop the fellow a line to have him

keep me up-to-date on when he gets it working.

best,

︣

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On apr 9, 2556 BE, at 06:43, Dionysis Boukouvalas wrote:

Still nice though :-)

Well of course, a lot of variables should be available to the user, as to the exact nature of the mesostics produced.
Let's hope they get there!
(Let us know when they will.)

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From: rod@stasick.org
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 22:29:50 -0500
To: silence@list.mail.virginia.edu
Subject: [silence] Re: Re: Mesostic generator

The only real problem with the examples shown

is that they are not mesostics, so the software

needs to work. Trying John's name with the

CNN setting (and the Louis Goldstein example)  

still brings up non-mesostics as well apparently.

R

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On apr 7, 2556 BE, at 10:02, Rob Haskins wrote:

In honor of Roger Ebert, here are 10 mesostics on his name

	Rogerebert.com
m	Ovie
'	Great
movi	Es':
glossa	Ry
on	E-minute
	By
yahoo! movi	E
p	Rotagonist
s	Tumbles,
ove	R
	On
"hi	Gh
"ac	E
f	Ran
p	Elzman
	Buy
tick	Ets.
	Rss
headlines abou	T
&	Raquo; email
m	Ovie
passin	G
h	Er
c	Ritic:“i
d	Evastated
	By
th	E
oh-so-b	Rilliant
fough	T
cou	Rageous
l	Ost
hi	Ghs
th	E
humo	R,
d	Eep
a	Biding
lov	E
fo	R
movies.excep	T
fo	R
th	Ose
darin	G
dir	Ector,
o	R,
id	Eally,
	By
tattoo-spangl	Ed
th	Rough
	Tent
hund	Red
gl	Obe-shaped
ca	Ge.
	Extended
t	Racking
b	E
a	Bout
	Experience
t	Ry
	To
you	R
vacati	On,
teena	Gers
hav	E
va	Rious
th	E
a	Bout
attractiv	E
fo	R
	Twisted
a	Re
n	Othing
i	Gnatiy
vishn	Evetsky"trance",
fo	R
g	Et
a	Bramsa
romanc	E,
d	Rama,
	Tantalizes
viewe	Rs
	Open-ended
sin	Gular,
myst	Erious
fo	Rm
caus	Ed
	By
ali	Enates
f	Rom
	Them.
	Room
wh	Ole
waitin	G
b	Ehind
doo	R
th	E
ku	Brick's
"th	E
acco	Rding
	To

On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Dionysis Boukouvalas <paistinpotamia@hotmail.com> wrote:

http://www.euph0r1a.net/mesostomatic

-- 
Rob Haskins, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Music, College of Liberal Arts
University of New Hampshire
M-105, Paul Creative Arts Center
30 Academic Way
Durham, NH 03824
603-862-3987 (office)
603-862-3155 (fax)
<http://unh.edu/music/>
<http://robhaskins.net>
<http://musicandmiscellaneous.blogspot.com/>

--
Rob Haskins, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Music, College of Liberal Arts
University of New Hampshire
M-105, Paul Creative Arts Center
30 Academic Way
Durham, NH 03824
603-862-3987 (office)
603-862-3155 (fax)
<http://unh.edu/music/>
<http://robhaskins.net>
<http://musicandmiscellaneous.blogspot.com/>

--
Rob Haskins, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Music, College of Liberal Arts
University of New Hampshire
M-105, Paul Creative Arts Center
30 Academic Way
Durham, NH 03824
603-862-3987 (office)
603-862-3155 (fax)
<http://unh.edu/music/>
<http://robhaskins.net>
<http://musicandmiscellaneous.blogspot.com/>