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While I very much agree that live is better-I think those of us at larger
institutions (we have 29,000 at UNC-Chapel Hill) are going to have to look
more and more at online presentations if we truly want to reach all
students. My thought is that we might just have to be pragmatic
(particularly in light of budget cuts) and work with these organizations so
that they will produce the best possible online presentations.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Online presentations vs. "live" (Ben Atherton-Zeman)
   2. Online presentations vs. "live" (Ben Atherton-Zeman)
   3. RE: [Men Against Violence] Online presentations vs. "live"
      (Foubert, John)
   4. Re: Online presentations vs. "live" (Lisa Landreman)
   5. Re: [RAINNet] Online presentations vs. "live" (Joan Crowley)


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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:06:05 -0400
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I just got a very nice looking brochure in the mail from "Student Success."
I have met some of these folks at conferences - they bring very impressive
display tables.  I've had great conversations with their marketing staff.

 

The brochure asked me to look at at their website, www.studentsuccess.org
<http://www.studentsuccess.org/> .  I saw that colleges can educate their
campuses on sexual violence by purchasing this online prevention program.  I
even like some of the content - there's a scene where a guy uses the phrase
"Dude, I totally banged her" and is confronted by his guy friends, who use
humor to make pithy educational points. 

 

What do folks think about online education regarding sexual violence and
dating violence?  I admit I'm biased, since I felt like I was looking at the
"automated robot" that will someday replace me in the factory!  But I can
also see some advantages of using online education.  Have some campuses used
online education with success, and would you mind sharing those successes?
Are online education providers here on this list and do you want to weigh
in?  

 

Until the violence stops, Ben.  

 

Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
Presenting a One-Man Play: "Voices of Men," Educational Theatre for
Sexual/Domestic Violence Prevention - video excerpts at
http://www.voicesofmen.org

Booking information: 978-897-3619

 

Quote of the Month, March 2010: "Whenever we blame a victim, we are siding
with the perpetrator."  - Diane Docis, 

 

 



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I just got a very nice looking brochure in the mail from "Student Success."
I have met some of these folks at conferences - they bring very impressive
display tables.  I've had great conversations with their marketing staff.

 

The brochure asked me to look at at their website, www.studentsuccess.org
<http://www.studentsuccess.org/> .  I saw that colleges can educate their
campuses on sexual violence by purchasing this online prevention program.  I
even like some of the content - there's a scene where a guy uses the phrase
"Dude, I totally banged her" and is confronted by his guy friends, who use
humor to make pithy educational points. 

 

What do folks think about online education regarding sexual violence and
dating violence?  I admit I'm biased, since I felt like I was looking at the
"automated robot" that will someday replace me in the factory!  But I can
also see some advantages of using online education.  Have some campuses used
online education with success, and would you mind sharing those successes?
Are online education providers here on this list and do you want to weigh
in?  

 

Until the violence stops, Ben.  

 

Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
Presenting a One-Man Play: "Voices of Men," Educational Theatre for
Sexual/Domestic Violence Prevention - video excerpts at
http://www.voicesofmen.org

Booking information: 978-897-3619

 

Quote of the Month, March 2010: "Whenever we blame a victim, we are siding
with the perpetrator."  - Diane Docis, 

 

 



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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:19:00 -0500
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Thank you Ben for raising the issue of online sexual assault prevention.  I
see a few serious issues.

First, online modules lack the presence of a presenter to help make sure
that participants are paying attention.  As those of us who do rape
awareness/prevention/risk reduction programming know, there is often a
relationship building phase to the beginning of a program, and some in the
audience often need to be convinced to pay attention.  A look or a question
from the presenter can help redirect an audience member's attention.
Someone taking an online module can easily ignore the content or make any
number of obnoxious comments toward it under a variety of circumstances
while consuming alcohol or drugs while completing the module.

Second, as those of us to do programming in this area know, it is important
for the physical presence of another human being to be in the room when we
are talking about a sensitive issue like sexual assault in case an
individual needs to talk about how to help a friend, their own experience,
or their reaction to the material.  Providing a list of resources is only
part of the picture.  Having a presenter present who can also pick up on the
nonverbal cues in an individual is important.  Computers can't do this and
have an empathetic conversation.

Third, unless I am mistaken, we have not yet seen a refereed journal article
on the impact of an online sexual assault module.  This, I believe, is
important; however I think my first two points are more central to the
broader issue of why in the context of sexual assault prevention,
institutions should not be leaving students alone when educating them about
sexual assault prevention.

John Foubert

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Coordinator, College Student Development Master's Degree Program Oklahoma
State University School of Educational Studies
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Subject: [Men Against Violence] Online presentations vs. "live"


I just got a very nice looking brochure in the mail from "Student Success."
I have met some of these folks at conferences - they bring very impressive
display tables.  I've had great conversations with their marketing staff.

The brochure asked me to look at at their website,
www.studentsuccess.org<http://www.studentsuccess.org/>.  I saw that colleges
can educate their campuses on sexual violence by purchasing this online
prevention program.  I even like some of the content - there's a scene where
a guy uses the phrase "Dude, I totally banged her" and is confronted by his
guy friends, who use humor to make pithy educational points.

What do folks think about online education regarding sexual violence and
dating violence?  I admit I'm biased, since I felt like I was looking at the
"automated robot" that will someday replace me in the factory!  But I can
also see some advantages of using online education.  Have some campuses used
online education with success, and would you mind sharing those successes?
Are online education providers here on this list and do you want to weigh
in?

Until the violence stops, Ben.

Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
Presenting a One-Man Play: "Voices of Men," Educational Theatre for
Sexual/Domestic Violence Prevention - video excerpts at
http://www.voicesofmen.org Booking information: 978-897-3619

Quote of the Month, March 2010: "Whenever we blame a victim, we are siding
with the perpetrator."  - Diane Docis,
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:14:55 -0500
From: Lisa Landreman 
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Ben,

We use the student success online module on our campus and overall are very
pleased with it. Here are the advantages:
-- it allows us to begin early at setting a tone for what to expect on
campus --it allows us to track who has viewed and who hasn't. Our size
allows us to follow up with students who have not viewed it and by mid
October 100% of our entering class had viewed it (we put a registration hold
on those who have not viewed) --It has a pre-test and post-test built in so
can demonstrate what students had learned following the viewing --it
provides a common, shared experience that we can reference when students
return --the company is really great to work with, in the second year they
took many of our suggestions to add gender neutral language and allowed us
to add information specific to our campus --it shows peers in conversation
with one another, although scripted, thought it more effective than just
scenes and a narrator --focused on peer intervention in addition to
correcting misinformation and provided strong messages about consent

When students arrive to campus we still do an hour and a half interactive
discussion with students about sexual violence, but now it is a second
message, not a first, and so we are reinforcing messages and then we follow
up in September with e-mail messaging as well, reminding them again of the
information. So students hear the message
3 times. So we do not have it replace sexual assault training that we do
during orientation, we use it to enhance and strengthen our efforts.


On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ben Atherton-Zeman 
<>
wrote:
> I just got a very nice looking brochure in the mail from "Student
Success."
> I have met some of these folks at conferences - they bring very 
> impressive display tables. ?I've had great conversations with their
marketing staff.
>
>
>
> The brochure asked me to look at at their website, 
> www.studentsuccess.org <http://www.studentsuccess.org/> . ?I saw that 
> colleges can educate their campuses on sexual violence by purchasing 
> this online prevention program. ?I even like some of the content - 
> there's a scene where a guy uses the phrase "Dude, I totally banged 
> her" and is confronted by his guy friends, who use humor to make pithy
educational points.
>
>
>
> What do folks think about online education regarding sexual violence 
> and dating violence? ?I admit I'm biased, since I felt like I was 
> looking at the "automated robot" that will someday replace me in the 
> factory! ?But I can also see some advantages of using online 
> education. ?Have some campuses used online education with success, and
would you mind sharing those successes?
> Are online education providers here on this list and do you want to 
> weigh in?
>
>
>
> Until the violence stops, Ben.
>
>
>
> Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
> Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
> Presenting a One-Man Play: "Voices of Men," Educational Theatre for 
> Sexual/Domestic Violence Prevention - video excerpts at 
> http://www.voicesofmen.org
>
> Booking information: 978-897-3619
>
>
>
> Quote of the Month, March 2010: "Whenever we blame a victim, we are 
> siding with the perpetrator." ?- Diane Docis, 
> 
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:17:14 -0600
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Ben.

I think online classes can be a great supplement to on-campus  
classes.  Whether this group is a good buy is another matter.
Advantages to online:
        The material can be provided to people who cannot come to campus  
[This is, to my mind, the only real justification for on-line classes.]
        The material can be provided to people who cannot attend the on- 
campus sessions due to conflicts
        The material can supplement on-campus presentations, so that the  
students have permanent access to things like phone numbers, links,  
and helpful advice.  Even if students take good notes, they miss some  
of the important stuff.

Disadvantages to online:
        The program does not adapt to the needs of the specific students in

the class
        People cannot get the nonverbal interactions that carry much of the

meaning of communication
        Students miss the opportunity to connect with other students and
with  
the instructors.
                I find that people come up after class to explore their
personal  
issues.  Knowing the face of the presenter makes approach easier.

Personally, creating on-line lectures gives me major writer's block,  
since I cannot clearly see what is working and what needs to be  
expanded on, the way I can in class.  However, I am including more and  
more supplements using on-line technology.  I have attended several  
"webinars," and I find them cumbersome.

Jody Crowley
Department of Criminal Justice
New Mexico State University







On Mar 15, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Ben Atherton-Zeman wrote:

> I just got a very nice looking brochure in the mail from "Student  
> Success."
> I have met some of these folks at conferences - they bring very  
> impressive
> display tables. I've had great conversations with their marketing  
> staff.
>
> The brochure asked me to look at at their website, www.studentsuccess.org
> <http://www.studentsuccess.org/> . I saw that colleges can educate  
> their
> campuses on sexual violence by purchasing this online prevention  
> program. I
> even like some of the content - there's a scene where a guy uses the  
> phrase
> "Dude, I totally banged her" and is confronted by his guy friends,  
> who use
> humor to make pithy educational points.
>
> What do folks think about online education regarding sexual violence  
> and
> dating violence? I admit I'm biased, since I felt like I was looking  
> at the
> "automated robot" that will someday replace me in the factory! But I  
> can
> also see some advantages of using online education. Have some  
> campuses used
> online education with success, and would you mind sharing those  
> successes?
> Are online education providers here on this list and do you want to  
> weigh
> in?
>
> Until the violence stops, Ben.
>
> Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
> Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
> Presenting a One-Man Play: "Voices of Men," Educational Theatre for
> Sexual/Domestic Violence Prevention - video excerpts at
> http://www.voicesofmen.org
>
> Booking information: 978-897-3619
>
> Quote of the Month, March 2010: "Whenever we blame a victim, we are  
> siding
> with the perpetrator." - Diane Docis, 
> 
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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