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Hello All

I strongly agree with John on this.  One other point is students are not
as accountable to be attentive.  In other words, while viewing an
on-line presentation viewers can be talking with someone, texting,
watching television, etc..  When I present or when we do our New Student
Orientation, audience response frequently alters what is presented, and
how.

Steve

Steve Thompson
Sexual Aggression Services Director
Central Michigan University
SAC 195
Mt. Pleasant, MI. 48859
Phone: 989-774-6677
http://www.stephenmthompson.com
http://www.sapa.cmich.edu


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Today's Topics:

   1. Online presentations vs. "live" (Ben Atherton-Zeman)
   2. Online presentations vs. "live" (Ben Atherton-Zeman)
   3. RE: [Men Against Violence] Online presentations vs. "live"
      (Foubert, John)
   4. Re: Online presentations vs. "live" (Lisa Landreman)
   5. Re: [RAINNet] Online presentations vs. "live" (Joan Crowley)


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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:06:05 -0400
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I just got a very nice looking brochure in the mail from "Student
Success."
I have met some of these folks at conferences - they bring very
impressive
display tables.  I've had great conversations with their marketing
staff.

 

The brochure asked me to look at at their website,
www.studentsuccess.org
<http://www.studentsuccess.org/> .  I saw that colleges can educate
their
campuses on sexual violence by purchasing this online prevention
program.  I
even like some of the content - there's a scene where a guy uses the
phrase
"Dude, I totally banged her" and is confronted by his guy friends, who
use
humor to make pithy educational points. 

 

What do folks think about online education regarding sexual violence and
dating violence?  I admit I'm biased, since I felt like I was looking at
the
"automated robot" that will someday replace me in the factory!  But I
can
also see some advantages of using online education.  Have some campuses
used
online education with success, and would you mind sharing those
successes?
Are online education providers here on this list and do you want to
weigh
in?  

 

Until the violence stops, Ben.  

 

Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
Presenting a One-Man Play: "Voices of Men," Educational Theatre for
Sexual/Domestic Violence Prevention - video excerpts at
http://www.voicesofmen.org

Booking information: 978-897-3619

 

Quote of the Month, March 2010: "Whenever we blame a victim, we are
siding
with the perpetrator."  - Diane Docis, 

 

 



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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:06:05 -0400
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I just got a very nice looking brochure in the mail from "Student
Success."
I have met some of these folks at conferences - they bring very
impressive
display tables.  I've had great conversations with their marketing
staff.

 

The brochure asked me to look at at their website,
www.studentsuccess.org
<http://www.studentsuccess.org/> .  I saw that colleges can educate
their
campuses on sexual violence by purchasing this online prevention
program.  I
even like some of the content - there's a scene where a guy uses the
phrase
"Dude, I totally banged her" and is confronted by his guy friends, who
use
humor to make pithy educational points. 

 

What do folks think about online education regarding sexual violence and
dating violence?  I admit I'm biased, since I felt like I was looking at
the
"automated robot" that will someday replace me in the factory!  But I
can
also see some advantages of using online education.  Have some campuses
used
online education with success, and would you mind sharing those
successes?
Are online education providers here on this list and do you want to
weigh
in?  

 

Until the violence stops, Ben.  

 

Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
Presenting a One-Man Play: "Voices of Men," Educational Theatre for
Sexual/Domestic Violence Prevention - video excerpts at
http://www.voicesofmen.org

Booking information: 978-897-3619

 

Quote of the Month, March 2010: "Whenever we blame a victim, we are
siding
with the perpetrator."  - Diane Docis, 

 

 



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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:19:00 -0500
From: "Foubert, John" 
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Thank you Ben for raising the issue of online sexual assault prevention.
I see a few serious issues.

First, online modules lack the presence of a presenter to help make sure
that participants are paying attention.  As those of us who do rape
awareness/prevention/risk reduction programming know, there is often a
relationship building phase to the beginning of a program, and some in
the audience often need to be convinced to pay attention.  A look or a
question from the presenter can help redirect an audience member's
attention.   Someone taking an online module can easily ignore the
content or make any number of obnoxious comments toward it under a
variety of circumstances while consuming alcohol or drugs while
completing the module.

Second, as those of us to do programming in this area know, it is
important for the physical presence of another human being to be in the
room when we are talking about a sensitive issue like sexual assault in
case an individual needs to talk about how to help a friend, their own
experience, or their reaction to the material.  Providing a list of
resources is only part of the picture.  Having a presenter present who
can also pick up on the nonverbal cues in an individual is important.
Computers can't do this and have an empathetic conversation.

Third, unless I am mistaken, we have not yet seen a refereed journal
article on the impact of an online sexual assault module.  This, I
believe, is important; however I think my first two points are more
central to the broader issue of why in the context of sexual assault
prevention, institutions should not be leaving students alone when
educating them about sexual assault prevention.

John Foubert

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Associate Professor; Anderson, Farris, and Halligan Professor
Program Coordinator, College Student Development Master's Degree Program
Oklahoma State University School of Educational Studies
314 Willard Hall
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(405) 744-1480
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I just got a very nice looking brochure in the mail from "Student
Success."  I have met some of these folks at conferences - they bring
very impressive display tables.  I've had great conversations with their
marketing staff.

The brochure asked me to look at at their website,
www.studentsuccess.org<http://www.studentsuccess.org/>.  I saw that
colleges can educate their campuses on sexual violence by purchasing
this online prevention program.  I even like some of the content -
there's a scene where a guy uses the phrase "Dude, I totally banged her"
and is confronted by his guy friends, who use humor to make pithy
educational points.

What do folks think about online education regarding sexual violence and
dating violence?  I admit I'm biased, since I felt like I was looking at
the "automated robot" that will someday replace me in the factory!  But
I can also see some advantages of using online education.  Have some
campuses used online education with success, and would you mind sharing
those successes?  Are online education providers here on this list and
do you want to weigh in?

Until the violence stops, Ben.

Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
Presenting a One-Man Play: "Voices of Men," Educational Theatre for
Sexual/Domestic Violence Prevention - video excerpts at
http://www.voicesofmen.org
Booking information: 978-897-3619

Quote of the Month, March 2010: "Whenever we blame a victim, we are
siding with the perpetrator."  - Diane Docis,
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:14:55 -0500
From: Lisa Landreman 
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Ben,

We use the student success online module on our campus and overall are
very pleased with it. Here are the advantages:
-- it allows us to begin early at setting a tone for what to expect on
campus
--it allows us to track who has viewed and who hasn't. Our size allows
us to follow up with students who have not viewed it and by mid
October 100% of our entering class had viewed it (we put a
registration hold on those who have not viewed)
--It has a pre-test and post-test built in so can demonstrate what
students had learned following the viewing
--it provides a common, shared experience that we can reference when
students return
--the company is really great to work with, in the second year they
took many of our suggestions to add gender neutral language and
allowed us to add information specific to our campus
--it shows peers in conversation with one another, although scripted,
thought it more effective than just scenes and a narrator
--focused on peer intervention in addition to correcting
misinformation and provided strong messages about consent

When students arrive to campus we still do an hour and a half
interactive discussion with students about sexual violence, but now it
is a second message, not a first, and so we are reinforcing messages
and then we follow up in September with e-mail messaging as well,
reminding them again of the information. So students hear the message
3 times. So we do not have it replace sexual assault training that we
do during orientation, we use it to enhance and strengthen our
efforts.


On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ben Atherton-Zeman
<>
 wrote:
> I just got a very nice looking brochure in the mail from "Student
Success."
> I have met some of these folks at conferences - they bring very
impressive
> display tables. ?I've had great conversations with their marketing
staff.
>
>
>
> The brochure asked me to look at at their website,
www.studentsuccess.org
> <http://www.studentsuccess.org/> . ?I saw that colleges can educate
their
> campuses on sexual violence by purchasing this online prevention
program. ?I
> even like some of the content - there's a scene where a guy uses the
phrase
> "Dude, I totally banged her" and is confronted by his guy friends, who
use
> humor to make pithy educational points.
>
>
>
> What do folks think about online education regarding sexual violence
and
> dating violence? ?I admit I'm biased, since I felt like I was looking
at the
> "automated robot" that will someday replace me in the factory! ?But I
can
> also see some advantages of using online education. ?Have some
campuses used
> online education with success, and would you mind sharing those
successes?
> Are online education providers here on this list and do you want to
weigh
> in?
>
>
>
> Until the violence stops, Ben.
>
>
>
> Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
> Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
> Presenting a One-Man Play: "Voices of Men," Educational Theatre for
> Sexual/Domestic Violence Prevention - video excerpts at
> http://www.voicesofmen.org
>
> Booking information: 978-897-3619
>
>
>
> Quote of the Month, March 2010: "Whenever we blame a victim, we are
siding
> with the perpetrator." ?- Diane Docis, 
> 
>
>
>
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Macalester College
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:17:14 -0600
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Ben.

I think online classes can be a great supplement to on-campus  
classes.  Whether this group is a good buy is another matter.
Advantages to online:
        The material can be provided to people who cannot come to campus

[This is, to my mind, the only real justification for on-line classes.]
        The material can be provided to people who cannot attend the on-

campus sessions due to conflicts
        The material can supplement on-campus presentations, so that the

students have permanent access to things like phone numbers, links,  
and helpful advice.  Even if students take good notes, they miss some  
of the important stuff.

Disadvantages to online:
        The program does not adapt to the needs of the specific students
in  
the class
        People cannot get the nonverbal interactions that carry much of
the  
meaning of communication
        Students miss the opportunity to connect with other students and
with  
the instructors.
                I find that people come up after class to explore their
personal  
issues.  Knowing the face of the presenter makes approach easier.

Personally, creating on-line lectures gives me major writer's block,  
since I cannot clearly see what is working and what needs to be  
expanded on, the way I can in class.  However, I am including more and  
more supplements using on-line technology.  I have attended several  
"webinars," and I find them cumbersome.

Jody Crowley
Department of Criminal Justice
New Mexico State University







On Mar 15, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Ben Atherton-Zeman wrote:

> I just got a very nice looking brochure in the mail from "Student  
> Success."
> I have met some of these folks at conferences - they bring very  
> impressive
> display tables. I've had great conversations with their marketing  
> staff.
>
> The brochure asked me to look at at their website,
www.studentsuccess.org
> <http://www.studentsuccess.org/> . I saw that colleges can educate  
> their
> campuses on sexual violence by purchasing this online prevention  
> program. I
> even like some of the content - there's a scene where a guy uses the  
> phrase
> "Dude, I totally banged her" and is confronted by his guy friends,  
> who use
> humor to make pithy educational points.
>
> What do folks think about online education regarding sexual violence  
> and
> dating violence? I admit I'm biased, since I felt like I was looking  
> at the
> "automated robot" that will someday replace me in the factory! But I  
> can
> also see some advantages of using online education. Have some  
> campuses used
> online education with success, and would you mind sharing those  
> successes?
> Are online education providers here on this list and do you want to  
> weigh
> in?
>
> Until the violence stops, Ben.
>
> Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
> Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
> Presenting a One-Man Play: "Voices of Men," Educational Theatre for
> Sexual/Domestic Violence Prevention - video excerpts at
> http://www.voicesofmen.org
>
> Booking information: 978-897-3619
>
> Quote of the Month, March 2010: "Whenever we blame a victim, we are  
> siding
> with the perpetrator." - Diane Docis, 
> 
>
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