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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:44:29 -0600
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An individual's reaction to any drug is very variable. 

My husband was aware of being paralyzed by general anesthesia drugs
quicker than expected. He recalls not being able to breath before going
under and having the breathing assistance device put on. The
Anesthesiologist was very apologetic and said that this happens rarely
(something like 1 in 5,000 cases or so) and is due to individual
differences in liver enzymes processing the medication administered. The
Anesthesiologist made a point of talking to my husband the next day and
reassuring my husband that what he experienced was real and that the OR
team was on top of it and did all they could to lessen his
fright/discomfort.

One can't find a more controlled environment for drug administration
than the OR, and even there reactions to a particular drug can be very
individual.


Loree Monroe, APRN FNP

Nurse Practitioner

William Woods University Health Services

One University Ave, Fulton, MO 65251

http://williamwoods.edu/counselingandhealth

573-592-4222

** Email is not a secure method of communication. Please come to Health
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   2. RE: Drug question (Linda Langford)


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I received the following question from the mother of a recent victim.
Does anyone have and answer and/or a reference where I could quickly
find an answer?
 
To your knowledge, if one had been drugged with a date rate drug, is it
possible to remember points in time or would one remember absolutely
nothing from the time of the intake?  We have been told that if they
remember anything then it is not consistent with having been drugged but
I can't verify that through any research. 
 
Jodi K. Caldwell, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist
Assistant Director for Training
Chair, Sexual Assault Response Team
Georgia Southern University
P. O. Box 8011
Statesboro, GA 30460
(912) 681-5541
(912) 681-0834 (fax)

 

Visit our exciting web sites!
http://students.georgiasouthern.edu/counseling/ ;

http://www.georgiasouthern.edu/outreach/sart


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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:43:23 -0500
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Dear Jodi,

You asked:
                To your knowledge, if one had been drugged with a date
rate drug, is it possible to remember points in time or would one
remember absolutely nothing from the time of the intake?  We have been
told that if they remember anything then it is not consistent with
having been drugged but I can't verify that through any research. 


There is a 2000 article from the NIJ Journal that may be helpful
entitled, "Drug-Facilitated Rape: Looking for the Missing Pieces"
(online at http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/jr000243c.pdf). It doesn't
cite formal research on your question, but it does describe the
experiences of survivors as including "gaps in memory" and sometimes
intermittent recall of events. 

On page 11 in the section entitled "Learning from Victims," it says
[sorry to include the graphic detail, everyone, but I thought I should
quote the entire paragraph]:
                When they regained consciousness, some victims were
unsure if they had been sexually assaulted. Others found signs that they
had been: They were undressed; they had semen stains on their bodies
and/or clothing; they had vaginal or anal trauma, such as soreness
and/or lacerations. All of these victims reported significant memory
impairment. Most could not recall what was done to them, who
participated, or how many people were present while they were
unconscious. Some could remember brief, intermittent periods of
awakening, during which they were aware of their surroundings but were
unable to move or speak. They felt "paralyzed." One victim said, "I came
to and saw this guy on top of me about to rape me, but I couldn't move
my arms or legs. Then I passed out again." 

Other articles on this topic make the point that there are many drugs
that can be used to facilitate rape (with the most common being alcohol,
of course.) I suspect that the degree and completeness of memory
impairment varies depending upon what drug(s) are used.

I hope this is helpful.

Best,
Linda Langford


Linda Langford, Sc.D.
Associate Center Director, Higher Education Center for Alcohol and Other
Drug Abuse and Violence Prevention
www.HigherEdCenter.org 
Education Development Center, Inc.
55 Chapel Street, Newton, MA  02458-1060
voice (800) 676-1730 x2719 OR (617) 618-2719 (direct line) 
fax (617) 928-1537



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:29:08 -0500
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Hi

I have found that it is not unusual for a survivor who has been dosed with 
GHB to have some memory recall.  Not all do, however, but to say that there 
is never memory recall would not be accurate.

Steve

Stephen M.?Thompson
Sexual Aggression Services Coordinator
Central Michigan University
SAC 195
Mt. Pleasant, MI. 48859
Phone: 989-774-6677
Web:? www.stephenmthompson.com
Web:? www.sapa.cmich.edu

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   2. RE: Drug question (Linda Langford)


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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:46:31 -0500
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I received the following question from the mother of a recent victim.  Does 
anyone have and answer and/or a reference where I could quickly find an 
answer?
 
To your knowledge, if one had been drugged with a date rate drug, is it 
possible to remember points in time or would one remember absolutely nothing 
from the time of the intake?  We have been told that if they remember 
anything then it is not consistent with having been drugged but I can't 
verify that through any research. 
 
Jodi K. Caldwell, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist
Assistant Director for Training
Chair, Sexual Assault Response Team
Georgia Southern University
P. O. Box 8011
Statesboro, GA 30460
(912) 681-5541
(912) 681-0834 (fax)

 

Visit our exciting web sites!
http://students.georgiasouthern.edu/counseling/ ;

http://www.georgiasouthern.edu/outreach/sart


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Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:43:23 -0500
From: "Linda Langford" 
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Subject: RE: Drug question
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Cc: "Coe-Sullivan, Emily" 
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Dear Jodi,

You asked:
                To your knowledge, if one had been drugged with a date
rate drug, is it possible to remember points in time or would one
remember absolutely nothing from the time of the intake?  We have been
told that if they remember anything then it is not consistent with
having been drugged but I can't verify that through any research. 


There is a 2000 article from the NIJ Journal that may be helpful
entitled, "Drug-Facilitated Rape: Looking for the Missing Pieces"
(online at http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/jr000243c.pdf). It doesn't
cite formal research on your question, but it does describe the
experiences of survivors as including "gaps in memory" and sometimes
intermittent recall of events. 

On page 11 in the section entitled "Learning from Victims," it says
[sorry to include the graphic detail, everyone, but I thought I should
quote the entire paragraph]:
                When they regained consciousness, some victims were
unsure if they had been sexually assaulted. Others found signs that they
had been: They were undressed; they had semen stains on their bodies
and/or clothing; they had vaginal or anal trauma, such as soreness
and/or lacerations. All of these victims reported significant memory
impairment. Most could not recall what was done to them, who
participated, or how many people were present while they were
unconscious. Some could remember brief, intermittent periods of
awakening, during which they were aware of their surroundings but were
unable to move or speak. They felt "paralyzed." One victim said, "I came
to and saw this guy on top of me about to rape me, but I couldn't move
my arms or legs. Then I passed out again." 

Other articles on this topic make the point that there are many drugs
that can be used to facilitate rape (with the most common being alcohol,
of course.) I suspect that the degree and completeness of memory
impairment varies depending upon what drug(s) are used.

I hope this is helpful.

Best,
Linda Langford


Linda Langford, Sc.D.
Associate Center Director, Higher Education Center for Alcohol and Other
Drug Abuse and Violence Prevention
www.HigherEdCenter.org 
Education Development Center, Inc.
55 Chapel Street, Newton, MA  02458-1060
voice (800) 676-1730 x2719 OR (617) 618-2719 (direct line) 
fax (617) 928-1537



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:44:30 -0600
From: "Hammer, Joseph H." 
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Subject: SA Presentations for Fraternity Audiences
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Colleagues,

Apologies for the cross-posting!

I'm currently putting together a presentation for our Greek Advocates 
(https://web.missouri.edu/~umcstudentlifeweb/rape-ed/greek.php?page_id=Greek%20Advocates)
here at Mizzou for Fraternity audiences, and I wanted to see how other folks 
are approaching these presentations.

If you have a workshop/presentation script (or outline, resources, etc) for 
Fraternity audiences that you are able to share (backchannel at 

 if you prefer) with me, I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks in advance!
Joe

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Joseph Hugh Hammer
Masters Student
Department of Education, School, and Counseling Psychology
Co-Coordinator, Rape Education Office
University of Missouri-Columbia

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