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- From: Philip Thomas <>
- To: 'Tim Ovens' <>, "''" <>
- Subject: [silence] RE: Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes)
- Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:10:57 +0100
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Hi Tim
My copy of Seven Haiku, from which I play, marks a unit of 1/2 inch to be
equal to MM 60. This is borne out, so that bars are of lengths 2.5 inches,
3.5 inches and 2.5 inches (i.e. units of 5, 7, 5, to match haiku). As you
say, however, it does make reading the score very difficult and parts are
indecipherable.
However my copy of Music of Changes does not match Cage's measurements. Cage
writes that quarter note = 2.5 cm and notates the score in bars of 4 units.
However each of my bars is 8.6 cm length, again making the notation rather
small and difficult to read in the most dense passages.
Thus my understanding is that 7 haiku is (frustratingly) correct but Music of
Changes is a reduction in print size.
Best wishes
Philip
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Ovens
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Sent: 26 August 2011 12:59
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Subject: [silence] Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes)
Hi all,
for long time I have been out of this list. Can anyone tell me how the search
in the archive is working now? For example I could not find any entry for the
words Haiku or Changes, but I am sure there are any.
Are there any old editions with Seven Haiku or Music of Changes? I did contact
Gene Caprioglio from Peters in New York, but he wrote:
"8.5 by 11 inches IS the size intended by Cage. Is your copy 8.5x11? The
height of the staff should be a tiny bit over 1/8 inch. If it is, than carry
on, you have the correct music. If there are larger copies extant, they are
wrong. They should be ignored. They were not produced by C.F. Peters
Corporation."
But in this size Cages remarks on the space and time make no sense. Besides
this Haiku score is in parts not legible (e.g. no. 5), because the handwriting
is smeared over by the diminuishing. How do you handle with this?
Best,
Tim
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- [silence] Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes), Tim Ovens, 08/26/2011
- [silence] RE: Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes), Philip Thomas, 08/26/2011
- [silence] Re: RE: Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes), Rob Haskins, 08/26/2011
- [silence] Re: RE: Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes), Tim Ovens, 08/26/2011
- [silence] Re: Re: RE: Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes), One Man John Cage Tribute Band, 08/26/2011
- [silence] Re: Re: Re: RE: Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes), Tim Ovens, 08/27/2011
- [silence] RE: Re: Re: RE: Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes), Philip Thomas, 08/27/2011
- [silence] RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes), Philip Thomas, 08/27/2011
- [silence] Re: RE: Re: Re: RE: Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes), Tim Ovens, 08/28/2011
- [silence] RE: RE: Re: Re: RE: Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes), Philip Thomas, 08/28/2011
- [silence] RE: Re: Re: RE: Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes), Philip Thomas, 08/27/2011
- [silence] Re: Re: Re: RE: Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes), Tim Ovens, 08/27/2011
- [silence] RE: Re: RE: Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes), Philip Thomas, 08/26/2011
- [silence] Re: Re: RE: Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes), One Man John Cage Tribute Band, 08/26/2011
- [silence] RE: Score Size (7 Haiku, Music of Changes), Philip Thomas, 08/26/2011
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