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["Chris Kilmartin (ckilmart)" <>]

so here's a guy who is selling something and asking you to CONSENT to buy it. 
 You say no and he continues the pressure.  I'm choking on the irony.

The best definition of pressure was given to me by one of my former students, 
who said, "If I say no and you ask again, that's pressure."

Chris

Christopher Kilmartin, Ph.D.
Professor of Psychology
University of Mary Washington
1301 College Ave.
Fredericksburg, VA 22401
540-654-1562

chriskilmartin.com
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From: Hotvedt, Carmen 
[]
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 2:17 PM
To: Douglas E. Fierberg
Cc: LB Klein; Lauren R. Gibson; 

Subject: Re: Follow up RE: Chronicle of Higher Ed Article: Sexual Assault App

USA Today coverage from this weekend: 
http://college.usatoday.com/2015/07/04/sexual-consent-app-we-consent/?utm_source=NCSSLE+Vol+3%2C+Issue+19&utm_campaign=e-Digest+Vol+3+Issue+19&utm_medium=email

At least one colleague of mine at at UW-Madison requested to be removed from 
his mailing list; the response is pasted below.  I am not sure what he means 
by the "imagined" problem of sexual assault.

Carmen Hotvedt


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I will honor your request but I would like to know why you wish to NOT be 
informed about a tool which could be of great benefit to your students and 
your school?

I find your request puzzling given the history of the sexual assault (both 
real and imagined) problems at Wisconsin.

We-Consent and its related apps may or may may not be something the 
University wishes to take a position regarding, but why would you NOT want to 
know about tools that could help the situation and your students?

You leave me very confused.
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On Jul 8, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Douglas E. Fierberg 
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Our team is happy to write him on your (or anyone else’s) behalf, e.g. 
classic lawyer’s letter, insisting that he back off and comply with the law.  
Should do the trick.

Obviously, at no charge . . . . .  ☺

Just let me know.

All the best.

Doug
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From: LB Klein 
[mailto:]
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 11:48 AM
To: Lauren R. Gibson; 
<mailto:>
Subject: Follow up RE: Chronicle of Higher Ed Article: Sexual Assault App

Dear Colleagues,

I hope that this messages finds you well.  I'm sending this message to this 
listserv on the urging of several colleagues with whom I shared my recent 
experiences.

I have been receiving some persistent and uncomfortable communications from 
Michael Lissack at WeConsent, an "affirmative consent app." These began after 
I replied to repeated unsolicited emails to me from his company. I asked to 
be removed from the list and expressed concern about their product. I then 
began to receive multiple replies from different addresses that disparaged 
and taunted me. These communications have escalated recently and have 
included phrases such as "big brother is watching you," based on him 
monitoring read receipts on the emails.  When he found out I had informed 
colleagues he was positioning their videos in his marketing materials out of 
context and without permission (and they asked they be taken down), he again 
escalated.

As I told Lissack directly, this course of conduct and the content of 
messages is deeply disturbing, particularly from an organization marketing a 
consent app. This is, of course, beyond the app, its marketing, and its 
advertising already being problematic.

Other colleagues have mentioned concern about receiving unwanted and 
persistent communication from Lissack. I was contacted by a media outlet 
about my experiences with Lissack and his company, but I would likely only 
want to go public with this in solidarity with others.  Due to his tactics, I 
have truly been torn between sharing this publicly for some level of 
accountability and not wanting to be further targeted by him or to give him 
further attention.  This has brought up the question for me of what our 
responsibility is within our field to hold people like this accountable and, 
if so, how. I welcome any thoughts, suggestions, or shared experience on or 
off list.

My best,
LB

LB Klein, MSW | Educator & Consultant based in Atlanta, GA
Graduate Student, Program on Gender-Based 
Violence<http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/SPA/researchandoutreach/CenteronDomesticViolence/DegreesandCertificates/Pages/PGVMasterofPublicAdministration.aspx>,
 University of Colorado Denver School of Public 
Affairs<http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/SPA/Pages/index.aspx>
Lead Trainer, Prevention Innovations Research Center, University of New 
Hampshire
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________________________________
From: 
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To: 
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Subject: Re: Chronicle of Higher Ed Article: Sexual Assault App
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 13:00:05 +0000
Thanks for sending this out. Our Director of Athletics forwarded me an email 
from their sales team advertising it earlier and I told them I’d look into 
it. Then this conversation thread popped up-good timing! Their video on their 
website says that it’s only “$5 and no scandals”. They are definitely playing 
up the make sure none of your athletes get in trouble and kicked out of 
school. I will be sending him an email back saying I would not recommend this 
program.

Lauren R. Gibson
Director of Wellness & Prevention Education
Sexual Assault Response Coordinator
Washington College
Caroline House
<mailto:>
410-778-7277

“We rise by lifting others.”-Robert Ingersoll


From: <Caramagno>, Denise 
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Date: Thursday, June 11, 2015 at 4:28 PM
To: LB Klein 
<<mailto:>>,
 "Hotvedt, Carmen" 
<<mailto:>>,
 
"<mailto:>"
 
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Subject: RE: Chronicle of Higher Ed Article: Sexual Assault App

I am disturbed!

I did think the interviewer took an appropriate approach.  She challenged him.

Denise

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From: LB Klein 
[mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 11:49 AM
To: Hotvedt, Carmen; 
<mailto:>
Subject: RE: Chronicle of Higher Ed Article: Sexual Assault App

Is anyone else truly disturbed by this product as well as the Chronicle 
reporting on it? Here are some highlights for why I'm concerned this is 
circulating:

1)  "Most of these situations are about, let’s face it, people being sloppy 
with one another and deciding to engage in activities that have not been 
fully discussed." This does not jive with what we know about perpetration of 
sexual assault. I'm concerned that someone without real knowledge of the 
nature and dynamics of sexual violence is marketing a product to allegedly 
prevent it.
2) Consent is not just about one "yes," it's about an ongoing series of 
yeses. Even if this were to be a remotely valid way to get consent from a 
partner before initiating sex, anyone involved should be able to withdraw 
consent at any time.
3) This app and its developer don't seem to be interested in truly stopping 
sexual violence, holding perpetrators accountable, or supporting survivors. 
Concerned about a scandal within your athletic team or 
insert-another-group-here? There's an app for that!  Yikes.
4) The victim-blaming and misogynistic concept that women typically "cry 
rape" because their feelings about a sexual encounter change the next day is 
all over the website for this app. This seems like more of a prevention of 
prosecution/accountability app for perpetrators, when perpetrators are 
already so rarely held accountable.

Also, don't read the comments.

LB Klein, MSW | Educator & Consultant based in Atlanta, GA
Graduate Student, Program on Gender-Based 
Violence<http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/SPA/researchandoutreach/CenteronDomesticViolence/DegreesandCertificates/Pages/PGVMasterofPublicAdministration.aspx>,
 University of Colorado Denver School of Public 
Affairs<http://www.ucdenver.edu/academics/colleges/SPA/Pages/index.aspx>
Lead Trainer, Prevention Innovations Research Center, University of New 
Hampshire
314.578.8584 | 
<mailto:>
 | @LB_Klein<https://twitter.com/LB_Klein> | 
Linkedin<http://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenlbklein>

[cid:]Prevention Innovations Research Center
University of New Hampshire
Website: Prevention Innovations Research 
Center<http://cola.unh.edu/prevention-innovations>
Twitter: @WePreventNow<https://twitter.com/WePreventNow>
Facebook: Prevention Innovations 
UNH<https://www.facebook.com/pages/Prevention-Innovations-UNH/845752108814575>

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From: 
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To: 
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Subject: FW: Chronicle of Higher Ed Article: Sexual Assault App
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 18:21:11 +0000
FYI

http://chronicle.com/article/When-It-Comes-to-Preventing/230823/?cid=at&utm_source=at&utm_medium=en



Carmen Hotvedt
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University Health Services
UW-Madison

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