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[Gillian Greensite <>]

> I agree with all the reasons described by John Foubert to be wary  
> of on-line "education." An additional caution is needed. Unless the  
> producers of "Student Success" have changed their content after our  
> lengthy conversation about what I saw as incredibly outdated and  
> dangerous content in the Avoidance section, then you should be wary  
> of this product. Under its original name, "nformd.on.sexual.  
> assault"  has a section that the producers claim is the most  
> popular with students. It advises students who are being harassed  
> or aggressively approached to not tell the perpetrator directly to  
> leave them alone since that might make him angry. Rather they  
> advise using a variety of "white lies" (my name) which in my  
> opinion will make that guy even more hostile to women since it  
> feeds right into a stereotype about females being manipulative. But  
> the worst is yet to come. If these tactics fail, they advise  
> students to remember the 3 "ates" : "urinate, defecate,  
> regurgitate." I am not making this up. If this section has been  
> completely changed, well and good. If not, and your campus is using  
> this module then you need to do some serious re-evaluation.

 Gillian

Gilian Greensite
UCSC Rape Prevention Education


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> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:10:14 -0400
> From: "Melinda Manning" 
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> While I very much agree that live is better-I think those of us at  
> larger
> institutions (we have 29,000 at UNC-Chapel Hill) are going to have  
> to look
> more and more at online presentations if we truly want to reach all
> students. My thought is that we might just have to be pragmatic
> (particularly in light of budget cuts) and work with these  
> organizations so
> that they will produce the best possible online presentations.
>
> Melinda Manning, JD
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>    3. RE: [Men Against Violence] Online presentations vs. "live"
>       (Foubert, John)
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> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:06:05 -0400
> From: "Ben Atherton-Zeman" 
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> I just got a very nice looking brochure in the mail from "Student  
> Success."
> I have met some of these folks at conferences - they bring very  
> impressive
> display tables.  I've had great conversations with their marketing  
> staff.
>
>
>
> The brochure asked me to look at at their website,  
> www.studentsuccess.org
> <http://www.studentsuccess.org/> .  I saw that colleges can educate  
> their
> campuses on sexual violence by purchasing this online prevention  
> program.  I
> even like some of the content - there's a scene where a guy uses  
> the phrase
> "Dude, I totally banged her" and is confronted by his guy friends,  
> who use
> humor to make pithy educational points.
>
>
>
> What do folks think about online education regarding sexual  
> violence and
> dating violence?  I admit I'm biased, since I felt like I was  
> looking at the
> "automated robot" that will someday replace me in the factory!  But  
> I can
> also see some advantages of using online education.  Have some  
> campuses used
> online education with success, and would you mind sharing those  
> successes?
> Are online education providers here on this list and do you want to  
> weigh
> in?
>
>
>
> Until the violence stops, Ben.
>
>
>
> Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
> Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
> Presenting a One-Man Play: "Voices of Men," Educational Theatre for
> Sexual/Domestic Violence Prevention - video excerpts at
> http://www.voicesofmen.org
>
> Booking information: 978-897-3619
>
>
>
> Quote of the Month, March 2010: "Whenever we blame a victim, we are  
> siding
> with the perpetrator."  - Diane Docis, 
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> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:06:05 -0400
> From: "Ben Atherton-Zeman" 
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> I just got a very nice looking brochure in the mail from "Student  
> Success."
> I have met some of these folks at conferences - they bring very  
> impressive
> display tables.  I've had great conversations with their marketing  
> staff.
>
>
>
> The brochure asked me to look at at their website,  
> www.studentsuccess.org
> <http://www.studentsuccess.org/> .  I saw that colleges can educate  
> their
> campuses on sexual violence by purchasing this online prevention  
> program.  I
> even like some of the content - there's a scene where a guy uses  
> the phrase
> "Dude, I totally banged her" and is confronted by his guy friends,  
> who use
> humor to make pithy educational points.
>
>
>
> What do folks think about online education regarding sexual  
> violence and
> dating violence?  I admit I'm biased, since I felt like I was  
> looking at the
> "automated robot" that will someday replace me in the factory!  But  
> I can
> also see some advantages of using online education.  Have some  
> campuses used
> online education with success, and would you mind sharing those  
> successes?
> Are online education providers here on this list and do you want to  
> weigh
> in?
>
>
>
> Until the violence stops, Ben.
>
>
>
> Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
> Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
> Presenting a One-Man Play: "Voices of Men," Educational Theatre for
> Sexual/Domestic Violence Prevention - video excerpts at
> http://www.voicesofmen.org
>
> Booking information: 978-897-3619
>
>
>
> Quote of the Month, March 2010: "Whenever we blame a victim, we are  
> siding
> with the perpetrator."  - Diane Docis, 
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:19:00 -0500
> From: "Foubert, John" 
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> Subject: RE: [Men Against Violence] Online presentations vs. "live"
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> Thank you Ben for raising the issue of online sexual assault  
> prevention.  I
> see a few serious issues.
>
> First, online modules lack the presence of a presenter to help make  
> sure
> that participants are paying attention.  As those of us who do rape
> awareness/prevention/risk reduction programming know, there is often a
> relationship building phase to the beginning of a program, and some  
> in the
> audience often need to be convinced to pay attention.  A look or a  
> question
> from the presenter can help redirect an audience member's attention.
> Someone taking an online module can easily ignore the content or  
> make any
> number of obnoxious comments toward it under a variety of  
> circumstances
> while consuming alcohol or drugs while completing the module.
>
> Second, as those of us to do programming in this area know, it is  
> important
> for the physical presence of another human being to be in the room  
> when we
> are talking about a sensitive issue like sexual assault in case an
> individual needs to talk about how to help a friend, their own  
> experience,
> or their reaction to the material.  Providing a list of resources  
> is only
> part of the picture.  Having a presenter present who can also pick  
> up on the
> nonverbal cues in an individual is important.  Computers can't do  
> this and
> have an empathetic conversation.
>
> Third, unless I am mistaken, we have not yet seen a refereed  
> journal article
> on the impact of an online sexual assault module.  This, I believe, is
> important; however I think my first two points are more central to the
> broader issue of why in the context of sexual assault prevention,
> institutions should not be leaving students alone when educating  
> them about
> sexual assault prevention.
>
> John Foubert
>
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> John D. Foubert, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor; Anderson, Farris, and Halligan Professor Program
> Coordinator, College Student Development Master's Degree Program  
> Oklahoma
> State University School of Educational Studies
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> From: 
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> Atherton-Zeman
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 12:06 PM
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> Subject: [Men Against Violence] Online presentations vs. "live"
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>
> I just got a very nice looking brochure in the mail from "Student  
> Success."
> I have met some of these folks at conferences - they bring very  
> impressive
> display tables.  I've had great conversations with their marketing  
> staff.
>
> The brochure asked me to look at at their website,
> www.studentsuccess.org<http://www.studentsuccess.org/>.  I saw that  
> colleges
> can educate their campuses on sexual violence by purchasing this  
> online
> prevention program.  I even like some of the content - there's a  
> scene where
> a guy uses the phrase "Dude, I totally banged her" and is  
> confronted by his
> guy friends, who use humor to make pithy educational points.
>
> What do folks think about online education regarding sexual  
> violence and
> dating violence?  I admit I'm biased, since I felt like I was  
> looking at the
> "automated robot" that will someday replace me in the factory!  But  
> I can
> also see some advantages of using online education.  Have some  
> campuses used
> online education with success, and would you mind sharing those  
> successes?
> Are online education providers here on this list and do you want to  
> weigh
> in?
>
> Until the violence stops, Ben.
>
> Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
> Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
> Presenting a One-Man Play: "Voices of Men," Educational Theatre for
> Sexual/Domestic Violence Prevention - video excerpts at
> http://www.voicesofmen.org Booking information: 978-897-3619
>
> Quote of the Month, March 2010: "Whenever we blame a victim, we are  
> siding
> with the perpetrator."  - Diane Docis,
> <mailto:>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:14:55 -0500
> From: Lisa Landreman 
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> Subject: Re: Online presentations vs. "live"
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> Ben,
>
> We use the student success online module on our campus and overall  
> are very
> pleased with it. Here are the advantages:
> -- it allows us to begin early at setting a tone for what to expect on
> campus --it allows us to track who has viewed and who hasn't. Our size
> allows us to follow up with students who have not viewed it and by mid
> October 100% of our entering class had viewed it (we put a  
> registration hold
> on those who have not viewed) --It has a pre-test and post-test  
> built in so
> can demonstrate what students had learned following the viewing --it
> provides a common, shared experience that we can reference when  
> students
> return --the company is really great to work with, in the second  
> year they
> took many of our suggestions to add gender neutral language and  
> allowed us
> to add information specific to our campus --it shows peers in  
> conversation
> with one another, although scripted, thought it more effective than  
> just
> scenes and a narrator --focused on peer intervention in addition to
> correcting misinformation and provided strong messages about consent
>
> When students arrive to campus we still do an hour and a half  
> interactive
> discussion with students about sexual violence, but now it is a second
> message, not a first, and so we are reinforcing messages and then  
> we follow
> up in September with e-mail messaging as well, reminding them again  
> of the
> information. So students hear the message
> 3 times. So we do not have it replace sexual assault training that  
> we do
> during orientation, we use it to enhance and strengthen our efforts.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Ben Atherton-Zeman  
> <>
> wrote:
> > I just got a very nice looking brochure in the mail from "Student
> Success."
> > I have met some of these folks at conferences - they bring very
> > impressive display tables. ?I've had great conversations with their
> marketing staff.
> > The brochure asked me to look at at their website,
> > www.studentsuccess.org <http://www.studentsuccess.org/> . ?I saw that
> > colleges can educate their campuses on sexual violence by purchasing
> > this online prevention program. ?I even like some of the content -
> > there's a scene where a guy uses the phrase "Dude, I totally banged
> > her" and is confronted by his guy friends, who use humor to make  
> > pithy
> educational points.
> > What do folks think about online education regarding sexual violence
> > and dating violence? ?I admit I'm biased, since I felt like I was
> > looking at the "automated robot" that will someday replace me in the
> > factory! ?But I can also see some advantages of using online
> > education. ?Have some campuses used online education with success,  
> > and
> would you mind sharing those successes?
> > Are online education providers here on this list and do you want to
> > weigh in?
> >
> >
> >
> > Until the violence stops, Ben.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
> > Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
> > Presenting a One-Man Play: "Voices of Men," Educational Theatre for
> > Sexual/Domestic Violence Prevention - video excerpts at
> > http://www.voicesofmen.org
> >
> > Booking information: 978-897-3619
> >
> >
> >
> > Quote of the Month, March 2010: "Whenever we blame a victim, we are
> > siding with the perpetrator." ?- Diane Docis,  
> >
> >
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> Lisa Landreman, Ph.D.
> Associate Dean of Students
> Macalester College
> 651-696-6220
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:17:14 -0600
> From: Joan Crowley 
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> Ben.
>
> I think online classes can be a great supplement to on-campus
> classes.  Whether this group is a good buy is another matter.
> Advantages to online:
>         The material can be provided to people who cannot come to campus
> [This is, to my mind, the only real justification for on-line  
> classes.]
>         The material can be provided to people who cannot attend the on-
> campus sessions due to conflicts
>         The material can supplement on-campus presentations, so that the
> students have permanent access to things like phone numbers, links,
> and helpful advice.  Even if students take good notes, they miss some
> of the important stuff.
>
> Disadvantages to online:
>         The program does not adapt to the needs of the specific students in
>
> the class
>         People cannot get the nonverbal interactions that carry much of the
>
> meaning of communication
>         Students miss the opportunity to connect with other students and
> with
> the instructors.
>                 I find that people come up after class to explore their
> personal
> issues.  Knowing the face of the presenter makes approach easier.
>
> Personally, creating on-line lectures gives me major writer's block,
> since I cannot clearly see what is working and what needs to be
> expanded on, the way I can in class.  However, I am including more and
> more supplements using on-line technology.  I have attended several
> "webinars," and I find them cumbersome.
>
> Jody Crowley
> Department of Criminal Justice
> New Mexico State University
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 15, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Ben Atherton-Zeman wrote:
>
> > I just got a very nice looking brochure in the mail from "Student
> > Success."
> > I have met some of these folks at conferences - they bring very
> > impressive
> > display tables. I've had great conversations with their marketing
> > staff.
> >
> > The brochure asked me to look at at their website,  
> > www.studentsuccess.org
> > <http://www.studentsuccess.org/> . I saw that colleges can educate
> > their
> > campuses on sexual violence by purchasing this online prevention
> > program. I
> > even like some of the content - there's a scene where a guy uses the
> > phrase
> > "Dude, I totally banged her" and is confronted by his guy friends,
> > who use
> > humor to make pithy educational points.
> >
> > What do folks think about online education regarding sexual violence
> > and
> > dating violence? I admit I'm biased, since I felt like I was looking
> > at the
> > "automated robot" that will someday replace me in the factory! But I
> > can
> > also see some advantages of using online education. Have some
> > campuses used
> > online education with success, and would you mind sharing those
> > successes?
> > Are online education providers here on this list and do you want to
> > weigh
> > in?
> >
> > Until the violence stops, Ben.
> >
> > Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
> > Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
> > Presenting a One-Man Play: "Voices of Men," Educational Theatre for
> > Sexual/Domestic Violence Prevention - video excerpts at
> > http://www.voicesofmen.org
> >
> > Booking information: 978-897-3619
> >
> > Quote of the Month, March 2010: "Whenever we blame a victim, we are
> > siding
> > with the perpetrator." - Diane Docis, 
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