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[Steven Pearlman <>]

Dr. Foubert,
Thank you for your reply.  I will try to further this discussion off the
list.

Best,
Steven

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> Dr. Foubert,
>
> Thank you for expressing your concerns about our survey.  I am certain that
> members of the list will appreciate your willingness to warn them of
> potential danger, and I have no doubt about your passion for this cause.
>
> In response, and as Claire Kaplan pointed out in response to your initial
> post regarding the survey, I cannot imagine an IRB board finding that the
> survey puts subjects at risk given its purely anonymous nature and
> low-stakes subject matter.  I also would like to note that we do not make
> the assumptions you assume--we are only asking administrators and
> counselors
> to report their personal experience with survivors--and as the data has not
> yet been compiled, we really cannot know what conclusions, if any, we can
> draw from the information.  We also will release the data so that everyone
> can draw their own conclusions.
>
> More importantly, while corporatism certainly has reared its ugly head
> lately, e.g. AIG, I hope we can proceed with caution when it comes to
> assessing the motivations of organizations attempting to address sexual
> assault.  I believe you list yourself as an "LLC"--Limited Liability
> Company--on your signature and it would be egregiously unfair of me to
> suggest that your motivations are therefore inherently ignoble.
>
> Ultimately, I believe deeply that everyone on this list is committed to
> ending the problem of sexual assault.  I hope we can all work together
> towards that end.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best regards,
> Steven
>
> *Steven J. Pearlman, PhD*
> *Content Director, nformd.net and StudentSuccess.org*
> **
> *845.901.6077*
>
>
>
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:57:16 -0500
> From: "Foubert, John" 
> <>
> Subject: FW: withdrawals after sexual assault
> To: 
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> Colleagues,
>
> Regarding the most recent survey posted to the list, there are a few
> important questions to consider.
>
> 1.  Is this research approved by a human subjects committee, which in part
> will help make sure that procedures of ethical principles will be followed?
> 2.  The study of costs of sexual assault to institutions is a worthwhile
> topic to study.  The survey that we were just presented with presumes that
> participants can know the percentage of survivors who withdraw or make
> other
> types of decisions based on their survivor status.  In order to answer
> these
> questions, the person filling out the survey would need to know every
> survivor on their campus.  It is not stated that these are estimates.
> 3.   In what way does the company collecting this data plan to use it?  Do
> they hope to benefit financially from collecting this data?
> 4.   Will data be presented in a way that can be interpreted by consumers
> of
> the data that, for example, 75% of survivors leave their institutions after
> experiencing sexual assault.  If you read the questions, this cannot
> possibly be determined from the questions asked.
>
> I advise extreme caution before answering surveys where there is no
> indication that the research has been approved by a human subjects
> committee.  I also advise caution regarding answering the sort of questions
> being raised and providing impressions to a company that may seek to use
> the
> information for their financial advantage -- this I do not know, however,
> the purpose has not been explained and it remains a fair and open question.
>  In addition, the questions lack scientific rigor and in my point of view
> as
> a researcher, the study lacks merit and is not deserving of our
> involvement.
>
> John Foubert
>
> **************************************
> John D. Foubert, Ph.D., LLC
> Associate Professor and Program Coordinator
> College Student Development Master's Degree Program
> Oklahoma State University
> School of Educational Studies
> 314 Willard Hall
> Stillwater, OK 74078
> (405) 744-1480
> (405) 744-7758 fax
> 
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>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:23:48 -0500
> From: "Foubert, John" 
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> Subject: FW: SAPC Digest, Vol 1207, Issue 2
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> Dr. Pearlman,
>
> I do not wish to engage in a public back and forth with you.  Please email
> me off list if you have further concerns.  I will offer a few final points.
>
> 1.      I have not received any email from Claire Kaplan today on or off
> this list.
> 2.      Regardless, it is not for you or anyone else to say whether a
> survey would or would not put participants at risk.  This is for an IRB to
>      determine.  That you dodged the question is in itself an answer.  We
> have IRBs so that investigators don't decide for themselves what
> constitutes a risk and what doesn't, and what methods should be refined to
> take precautions.
> 3.      I do not know whether survey monkey is purely anonymous.  I would
> imagine that one could set up a program to retain data from people who take
>   surveys, though I do not know if survey monkey could do this.  Surely some
> programs could.
> 4.      Regardless of whether data have yet been collected, the questions
> will provide meaningless information.  Individuals cannot guess a percentage
>  of an entire population's motives for making a decision, and the wording of
> the questions do not even ask for a guess, they ask for reporting
>        what is the actual case.
> 5.      You appear to think that the best defense is a good offense by
> noting that I do consulting through an LLC.  This is completely irrelevant
> to    whether or not your company may have something to gain financially
> from the study you asked the sexual assault prevention community to
>  participate in at this time.  If you weren't hesitant to address the issue
> of the motives of your corporation, you would have no reason to try  to
> question the fact that I have incorporated.
> 6.      Unless you libel me, I will cease this conversation as it is
> unproductive for the movement and I have made my point.
>
> John Foubert
>
>
> **************************************
> John D. Foubert, Ph.D., LLC
> Associate Professor and Program Coordinator
> College Student Development Master's Degree Program
> Oklahoma State University
> School of Educational Studies
> 314 Willard Hall
> Stillwater, OK 74078
> (405) 744-1480
> (405) 744-7758 fax
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> Subject: Re: SAPC Digest, Vol 1207, Issue 2
>
> Dr. Foubert,
>
> Thank you for expressing your concerns about our survey.  I am certain that
> members of the list will appreciate your willingness to warn them of
> potential danger, and I have no doubt about your passion for this cause.
>
> In response, and as Claire Kaplan pointed out in response to your initial
> post regarding the survey, I cannot imagine an IRB board finding that the
> survey puts subjects at risk given its purely anonymous nature and
> low-stakes subject matter.  I also would like to note that we do not make
> the assumptions you assume--we are only asking administrators and
> counselors
> to report their personal experience with survivors--and as the data has not
> yet been compiled, we really cannot know what conclusions, if any, we can
> draw from the information.  We also will release the data so that everyone
> can draw their own conclusions.
>
> More importantly, while corporatism certainly has reared its ugly head
> lately, e.g. AIG, I hope we can proceed with caution when it comes to
> assessing the motivations of organizations attempting to address sexual
> assault.  I believe you list yourself as an "LLC"--Limited Liability
> Company--on your signature and it would be egregiously unfair of me to
> suggest that your motivations are therefore inherently ignoble.
>
> Ultimately, I believe deeply that everyone on this list is committed to
> ending the problem of sexual assault.  I hope we can all work together
> towards that end.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best regards,
> Steven
>
> *Steven J. Pearlman, PhD*
> *Content Director, nformd.net and StudentSuccess.org*
> **
> *845.901.6077*
>
>
>
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:57:16 -0500
> From: "Foubert, John" 
> <>
> Subject: FW: withdrawals after sexual assault
> To: 
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>
> Colleagues,
>
> Regarding the most recent survey posted to the list, there are a few
> important questions to consider.
>
> 1.  Is this research approved by a human subjects committee, which in part
> will help make sure that procedures of ethical principles will be followed?
> 2.  The study of costs of sexual assault to institutions is a worthwhile
> topic to study.  The survey that we were just presented with presumes that
> participants can know the percentage of survivors who withdraw or make
> other
> types of decisions based on their survivor status.  In order to answer
> these
> questions, the person filling out the survey would need to know every
> survivor on their campus.  It is not stated that these are estimates.
> 3.   In what way does the company collecting this data plan to use it?  Do
> they hope to benefit financially from collecting this data?
> 4.   Will data be presented in a way that can be interpreted by consumers
> of
> the data that, for example, 75% of survivors leave their institutions after
> experiencing sexual assault.  If you read the questions, this cannot
> possibly be determined from the questions asked.
>
> I advise extreme caution before answering surveys where there is no
> indication that the research has been approved by a human subjects
> committee.  I also advise caution regarding answering the sort of questions
> being raised and providing impressions to a company that may seek to use
> the
> information for their financial advantage -- this I do not know, however,
> the purpose has not been explained and it remains a fair and open question.
>  In addition, the questions lack scientific rigor and in my point of view
> as
> a researcher, the study lacks merit and is not deserving of our
> involvement.
>
> John Foubert
>
> **************************************
> John D. Foubert, Ph.D., LLC
> Associate Professor and Program Coordinator
> College Student Development Master's Degree Program
> Oklahoma State University
> School of Educational Studies
> 314 Willard Hall
> Stillwater, OK 74078
> (405) 744-1480
> (405) 744-7758 fax
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> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:45:45 -0400
> From: "Kaplan, Claire (cnk2r)" 
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> Subject: Fwd: Upcoming teleconference
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> Date:    Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:48:55 -0400
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> From:    Molly Dragiewicz 
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> Subject: upcoming teleconference: men's rights groups lawsuits against
> battered women's shelters
>
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>
> Hi All,
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> = domestic violence for more than 20 years. She is an advocate and
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> Claire N Kaplan, PhD
> Director, Sexual & Domestic Violence Services
> UVA Women's Center
> PO Box 800588
> Charlottesville VA 22908-0588
> 434-982-2774 Voice
> 434-982-2901 Fax
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:54:42 -0400
> From: "Kaplan, Claire (cnk2r)" 
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> The most recent posts are quite interesting. Regarding John's question
> about the survey that Steve posted, I didn't get a sense that he was asking
> us those questions, but rather giving us a brief inquiry that he is
> conducting at his institution-hence no need to post IRB approval info.  That
> being said, and given the interest that a number of people have expressed,
> why don't we figure out some kind of strategy to develop an instrument (or
> instruments) and then from that point, figure out how we could implement
> this at our respective institutions?  The membership list is quite
> extensive, and covers a wide range of institutional type: community
> colleges, technical/specialist schools (such as design or cuisine), research
> institutions/4 year/PhD-granting.  And so on.  We would need someone to be
> the PI on this.  I am happy to speak with some faculty here at UVA who might
> be interested.  But as Steve mentions, we may have list members or close
> allies to list members who have a part
>  icular interest in this topic. Or, maybe even someone knows a pre-proposal
> doctoral student who needs a topic and would have the time/dedication to get
> this done.  I personally don't think I could do much this summer, and we
> would have to find some funding source as well (DOJ?).  Those of you with
> government/foundation connections, what do you think?  This could be an
> important project if done well.
> Thanks,
> Claire
>
> Claire N Kaplan, PhD
> Director, Sexual & Domestic Violence Services
> UVA Women's Center
> PO Box 800588
> Charlottesville VA 22908-0588
> 434-982-2774 Voice
> 434-982-2901 Fax
> 
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:31:56 -0400
> From: Katherine Hull 
> <>
> Subject: Re: [RAINNet] 20/20 episode tonight - more blaming of rape
>        victims?
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> Greetings advocates! Thanks Ben for sending out this email, re: tonight's
> 20/20 segment.
>
> I am also worried about the element of "victim blaming" based upon the
> online coverage thus far (
> http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=7757324&page=1).
> I called 20/20 and conveyed our concern over their depiction of this case
> (re, involvement of alcohol, wardrobe, consent, etc.). The 20/20
> correspondent assured me that they took this factor into account ... she
> said that the piece airing tonight balances the defense team's allegations
> with a counter expert who speaks to the "victim blaming factor."  Also, fyi
> -  I've encouraged the ABC news team to include contact information for the
> National Sexual Assault Hotline over fear that this segment will trigger
> difficult memories for their viewers who have been affected by sexual
> violence. We'll see how it turns out tonight, and if they end up including
> this contact information to help their viewers.
>
> In the meantime, I'd like to echo Ben's request ... please do let ABC news
> know how you feel and add a comment to the story.
>
> Best,
> Kate
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Ben Atherton-Zeman 
> <
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > My friends at Unite for Change sent me an email about the DeAnza College
> > Rape. Three female soccer players apparently stepped in to save a girl
> from
> > being gang raped: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/
> >
> > I eagerly went to ABC News' page - instead of labeling it a gang rape, or
> > even alleged gang rape, the label reads, "Teen Binge Drinking Erupts in
> > Scandal"!!!!
> >
> > Despite these very articulate soccer players describing their bystander
> > efforts to rescue their friend, the question from the interviewer (after
> > hearing the graphic details about the rape), is "were you just worried
> about
> > her sobriety, or were you worried about an assault that had just
> happened?"
> > It seems like the rape is an afterthought for this interviewer.
> >
> > The interviewer also tries to clarify that the pants were "ripped off,
> not
> > just taken off?" Hey, it's still rape, even if her pants were taken off
> with
> > linen gloves - she was intoxicated and passed out.
> >
> > How much victim-blaming will we put up with, exactly? Let's let ABC News
> > know - you can comment on the story if you sign in and create a free
> > membership. Or, you can click on a button that lets you email the
> assignment
> > desk directly if you have something to add to the story - I did that, and
> > explained that the story had been mis-labeled. I expressed confidence
> that
> > they'd do the right thing before hordes of sexual violence prevention
> folks
> > wrote them, demanding that they stop blaming victims. :)
> >
> > Until the violence stops, Ben.
> >
> > Ben Atherton-Zeman, Maynard, MA USA
> > Actor, Comedian, Feminist and Husband
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> > "I think gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a
> > woman."
> > - Arnold Schwarzenegger, 2003, in an interview with radio host Sean
> Hannity
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