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I respectfully disagree with both Susan and Tony Porter's points -- Robin 
Morgan's piece didn't set up a dichotomy of either/or between racism and 
sexism -- it was a "these are parallel, and yet misogyny is so deeply rooted 
in our culture that it's publicly acceptable even where overt racism 
isn't..."  

I'm struggling to understand how comparing and contrasting public responses 
that reflect the interconnected isms makes the quote racist.  

The coverage of the candidates who are seen as "different" from the old 
straight white men who traditionally comprise our Presidential choices is 
very revealing.  I've heard quotes so far this cycle from voters saying, "I 
just don't think I could vote for a..."  Woman, Black Man, Mormon.

Those are all personal traits, not political stances or philosophies, and the 
fact that people feel comfortable expressing their bigotry is disheartening.  
Comparing what percent of voters say they would not vote for a woman -- any 
woman -- to those who say they would not vote for a man of color -- any man 
of color -- is neither racist nor sexist.  It's an exploration of biases. 

That's how I interpreted Robin's quote, and I appreciated getting to see it 
through Ben's email.

-kelly
madison, WI




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  Yeah, I think that's true. I was very moved by Morgan's Goodbye to All 
That, 
  and felt that she really nailed the misogyny going on..but it would have 
  been better if she hadn't compared it to racism...setting up a 
  dichotomy/either/or....situation.....

  Susan


  .> While any sexist comments directed at Senator Clinton are inappropriate 
  > and should not be accepted on any level, when we make comparisons and use 
  > comments to the effect of "if it was a racist comment we would....." We 
  > must understand that such comments themselves are racist. We do not need 
  > to use comparisons of racism connected to Senator Obama to speak out 
  > against sexism directed at Senator Clinton.

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 agreed re: the propriety of talking about the disparate treatment.? This 
hierarchy of isms, as I like to call it, is perpetuated by silence regarding 
the hierarchy --

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I respectfully disagree with both Susan and Tony Porter's points -- Robin
Morgan's piece didn't set up a dichotomy of either/or between racism and 
sexism
-- it was a "these are parallel, and yet misogyny is so deeply rooted in our
culture that it's publicly acceptable even where overt racism isn't..."

I'm struggling to understand how comparing and contrasting public responses 
that
reflect the interconnected isms makes the quote racist.

The coverage of the candidates who are seen as "different" from the old 
straight
white men who traditionally comprise our Presidential choices is very 
revealing.
I've heard quotes so far this cycle from voters saying, "I just don't think I
could vote for a..."  Woman, Black Man, Mormon.

Those are all personal traits, not political stances or philosophies, and the
fact that people feel comfortable expressing their bigotry is disheartening.
Comparing what percent of voters say they would not vote for a woman -- any
woman -- to those who say they would not vote for a man of color -- any man of
color -- is neither racist nor sexist.  It's an exploration of biases.

That's how I interpreted Robin's quote, and I appreciated getting to see it
through Ben's email.

-kelly
madison, WI




----- Original Message -----
  From: 

  Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:11 AM
  Subject: [RAINNet] Re: 5rs:: Feedback on Ben's quote of the month


  Yeah, I think that's true. I was very moved by Morgan's Goodbye to All That,
  and felt that she really nailed the misogyny going on..but it would have
  been better if she hadn't compared it to racism...setting up a
  dichotomy/either/or....situation.....

  Susan


  .> While any sexist comments directed at Senator Clinton are inappropriate
  > and should not be accepted on any level, when we make comparisons and use
  > comments to the effect of "if it was a racist comment we would....." We
  > must understand that such comments themselves are racist. We do not need
  > to use comparisons of racism connected to Senator Obama to speak out
  > against sexism directed at Senator Clinton.

  __,_._,___

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