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- Subject: Re: SAPC Digest, Vol 845, Issue 1-a bit more on FERPA and confidentiality
- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:13:39 -0400
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Brett;
schools worry far too much about the perps' lawyers --
as you know -- there is no "due process" for accused students because a
university is not the government, thus traditional due process rights have no
application -- (unless a student is punished in a manner that invokes a
protected class status which raises civil rights issues -- but this is not
applicable for students accused of sexual crimes -- or any crimes -- indeed,
if anyone has a constitutional claim, it is the female who, as a victim of
gender-based violence, has a civil rights claim because of the nature of
sexual assault as an act of discrimination)
thus -- if a school treats all repeat offenders as subject to identification
policies under FERPA, there is no real risk that any attorney can or will
have a valid claim -- (and at the same time, the lack of information sharing
increases the risk the victim's lawyers will have schools for lunch when
their failure looks like "deliberate indifference")
as for the "lunch" the lawyers might have re FERPA -- since the supreme court
ruled that there is NO cause of action for money damages under FERPA even IF
a violation occurs, that lunch would be - at most - a nibble -- ; ) - and
because it is clear schools can adopt policies allowing for disclosure,
especially for repeat offenders -- this shouldn't be an issue at all
finallly -- belanger is about juvenile records; records regarding PAST
behavior -- which are already confidential -- though i agree that while i
haven't read the case - it may stand for the proposition that records CAN
become "education records" even though obtained elsewhere -- but if the point
is that they can be given NEW confidentiality -- i think the answer is no --
and belanger doesn't suggest otherwise b/c juvenile records are already
confidential under state law --
in any case, unlike in belanger, the issue of whether something other -- like
a law enforcement report related to a crime that OCCURRED on campus or in a
temporal sense that affects current students' safety - might easily fall
under the health and safety exception seems an easy argument to make --
also -- don't forget the supreme court's case that held it did not violate
FERPA to allow students to see each others' papers and give each other grades
-- even though the papers were clearly "education records" -- and no
permission was required, etc. It seems to me if students can see and grade
each others' academic work, which goes to the heart of the education
experience, there can hardly be a FERPA prohibition to allowing them to see a
law enforcement report of a criminal act which has NOTHING to do with
education --
wendy
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Wendy,
?
I think some repeat perps will fall into the emergency category.? But,
if we say all will, we are being overinclusive.? I want to stop them as
much as you do, but I want to stop them using the law, not bulldozing it.?
Otherwise, if we cut corners, their attorneys will have us for lunch.? I
want our actions to hold up to legal contest.?
?
In terms backing up my assertions on records of local police being
protected under FERPA once shared, a colleague directed me to the following
case:
?
In Belanger v. Nashua, New Hampshire School District, 856 F. Supp. 40,
48-50 (D.N.H. 1994), a federal court held that records pertaining to a
student's
juvenile court proceedings that were maintained by the school district's
attorney were "education records" under FERPA. In so holding, the Belanger
court
stated that both the plain language of the statutory definition of "education
records" and the legislative history of the Buckley-Pell amendment made clear
that "education records" included any documents pertaining to a student that
are
maintained by the institution.
?
I have yet to read the case, but at first blush, it seems to concur with my
belief of how FERPA works.
?
Regards,
Brett A. Sokolow, JD
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the United States Air Force Academy
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- Re: SAPC Digest, Vol 845, Issue 1-a bit more on FERPA and confidentiality, BASokolow, 10/24/2007
- Re: SAPC Digest, Vol 845, Issue 1-a bit more on FERPA and confidentiality, wmurphylaw, 10/24/2007
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- Re: SAPC Digest, Vol 845, Issue 1-a bit more on FERPA and confidentiality, BASokolow, 10/24/2007
- Re: SAPC Digest, Vol 845, Issue 1-a bit more on FERPA and confidentiality, BASokolow, 10/24/2007
- Re: SAPC Digest, Vol 845, Issue 1-a bit more on FERPA and confidentiality, wmurphylaw, 10/24/2007
- Re: SAPC Digest, Vol 845, Issue 1-a bit more on FERPA and confidentiality, BASokolow, 10/24/2007
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