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On going debate, especially if it forces participants to review research
and scholarly works concerning constitutional issues is a welcome
exercise in any academic community. Unfortunately, accurate information
on self-defense with firearms is not provided in standard media outlets
or most academic conversations. Professor Lott and others have conducted
a great deal of peer reviewed research on the use of firearms, the
presence of firearms, and the perception of firearms being present
impacting a wide range of criminal activities. This information is not
referenced in main stream media. Negative and inaccurate media coverage
of firearms information and research has resulted in a national
knowledge gap wrapped in levels of prejudice and misinformation. While
the issues deserve intelligent and informed discussion all too often the
barriers of political rhetoric and liberal vs conservative prevent
respectful and intelligent inquiry into the issues.

I am concerned a major learning opportunity for all will be missed due
to existing stereotypes and personal agendas. In reading both the
original message and the response to it from "Todd" there is a distinct
"othering" of the participants involved in the conservative publication.
By informing the list serve these participants are "white straight
economically privileged men!" we are led to the inevitable conclusion
their actions and mantras are ill conceived. Internationally organized
groups such as the Pink Pistols "www.pinkpistols.org" may provide
insight into how this is more than an issue just for straight privileged
men. In his response "Todd" describes the conservative publication
members as "Hitler Youth with pointy heads." while informing the list
serve this group may know more than they are being given credit for.
There is no need in an academic community to "be slightly dishonest"
when discussing these issues as he suggests. Personal agendas should
take a back seat to our responsibility to accurately inform ourselves
and others.

Name calling, demonizing and stereotyping in my opinion reflects most
harshly on those who practice it. Please refrain from the activity no
matter how easy and popular the target. 



Don Lazzarini M. Ed
Coordinator VAWOC Project
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WOW. Well, I thought about this and came to the realization that it
would not be wise for me to weigh in on this debate. I think I'll run
this one by Ted Nugent.

Ron

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>Here at the University of Illinois at Urbana, we're having a bit of an
>ongoing debate between a particularly fiesty and disrespectful >conservative 
>publication (surprise: primarily white straight >economically privileged 
>men!) who have been raffling off guns to
promote >the US 2nd Amendment (Right to bear arms). One of their popular
mantras >now is that guns decrease rape, especially concealed carry gun laws.
>From my understanding of the dynamics of sexual violence, I believe
this >may be problematic. My particular concern is that these students are
>harassing several of my peer facilitators who are active in other 
>>progressive organizations (I call them feminist, the conservative
paper >calls them "liberal brainwashing") As an instructor at least partially
>responsible for "brainwashing" my students, I feel like I need to >provide 
>them with some resources, but I don't have the data to back up
>the notion that giving everyone a gun will decrease rape. Can anyone
>help me out?

Ross, I'm a progressive, leftist, feminist who has spent over a decade
working
against sexual violence. I've got good news and bad news for you.

The good news is that you have an opportunity to really mess with
UIUC's
chapter of Hitler Youth and their pointy little heads. And you can do
it
without compromising your anti-violence principles in the slightest.

The bad news is that you are going to have to come to grips with some
uncomfortable facts and alter your tactics accordingly.

Here's the rub:

They're partially right. Firearms are the single most effective means
an
individual
can use to stop a violent crime. We've had a fair amount of research on
the
subject from Wright and Rossi in the 1970s on. They aren't "43 times
more
likely to kill you or a loved one". They won't "be taken away and used
against
you". Liberalized concealed carry laws don't cause an increase in the
violent
crime or suicide rate. The only argument is whether Lott's statistical
methods
overstate the degree to which they decrease the overall rate of
violent
crime.

The problem is that self defense and armed self defense in particular
has
been
cast as a left-right issue. And we progressives allowed it to be and
allowed

ourselves to get stuck on the wrong side of it.

My advice, and I've been through this a number of times, is don't let
your
students
or yourself fall into their rhetorical trap. Say up front  to the
conservative group:

"Yes, guns are very good tools in their extremely limited role. They
are
effective
when used correctly. But, like most tools they aren't very useful for
anything else.
All the guns in the world won't help you in situations where they
aren't
appropriate.
And even when they are "It's not the dope on the gun, it's the dope
behind
the gun."
Without the right attitude and mind-set they're worthless chunks of
metal
and plastic.
We're interested in the much more important issues of education and
mental
preparation that will let people make intelligent choices about goals.
Then
they can
decide for themselves if a firearm is useful in achieving that goal."

Hit on the idea that fighting and shooting are very small parts of
self
defense and
violence prevention. Acknowledge the situations where the particular
tool is
useful but point out how rare those are in the universe of actual
sexual
assaults.
The FBI and NIJ's material on sexual assault by acquaintances versus
strangers
is a good place to start. Then make it personal. If the student is a
man ask
him
something like "Should your date should shoot you if she thinks you're
getting
out of line?" If it's a woman turn it around with "If your boyfriend
wants
to have
sex and you don't are you prepared to kill him if he insists?" Go from
there


Challenge them on something they probably haven't thought about - real
tactics.
"Is there some sort of carry rig that will let you wear attractive
clothes
and
still have IMMEDIATE access to your gun in a car, in a bedroom, or at
a
party? How about at the beach? Everyone knows [and it's true] that you
should
never EVER carry when you've been drinking. Does this mean women
have a choice between partying and being raped?"

You can even enlist the police in this. A lot of rank and file police
are in
favor of
regular people owning guns. But police administrators are uniformly
against
it.
And you live in a incredibly anti self defense state. It shouldn't be
too
hard to get
a cop to come and show how easy it is to do a gun disarm on one of
their
over-
confident representatives with an inert training gun.  It's unfair.
It's not
realistic.
It's slightly dishonest. But it's an effective way of taking the wind
out of
their sails
and setting the stage for a wider discussion of how to stop sexual
violence.

Make a big point about how wonderful guns can be. Any armed woman at
any
time can kill a man who she really wants to. "And that's a good thing".
Play
up the power it gives WOMEN AS A CLASS against ALL MEN AS A CLASS.
More than half the time you'll see them backpedal furiously. Play up
the
fact
that a gun takes away their white male privilege and makes them
vulnerable
to women, and *shudder* Negroes. This plays on their real fears about
class
and privilege.

Regards,
Todd

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Hi everyone--
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Thanks very much!
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>Hi All,
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>I would like to take this opportunity to ask for your input for our NWSA
>roundtable on the backlash.
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>I am collecting examples of backlash behavior against sexual assault
>prevention and response efforts, women's studies programs and WRCs AND the
>responses/non-responses tactics that you have found to be helpful on your
>campus.
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>The NWSA roundtable will be an opportunity to discuss these issues and
>strategize this summer.
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>Please send your responses directly to me:
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>and I will compile & share  them.
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>Molly Dragiewicz
>Director
>Women's Resource Center
>Bucknell University
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>(570) 577 1375