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[Jessie Mindlin <>]

I don’t  know if it is still the case, but I thought you might want to know that (at least as of June of this year) Wendy Murphy was a member of this (SAPC) listserv. - Jessie

 

From: Stephen McArthur [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 1:01 PM
To: Susan Stahley
Cc: ; ;
Subject: Re: [Men Against Violence] Great new resource

 

Great idea, Susan!!   Sent this to the contact info you provided:

 

"Chances are any group that receives government funding (which is most rape crisis and battered women's centers) and regularly provides services to victims from a nearby campus, is providing substandard advice and may well be protecting the school's interests."

 

This broad-brush statement, just in itself, is hugely judgmental.  I have worked for many years as a DV advocate (rape and sexual assault can be significant elements in DV, by the way) both with colleges and other schools on issues of domestic and dating violence (as well as serving students who need direct individual support and, in some cases, help in filing protection orders) and have never considered myself a spokesperson for an educational institution, right or wrong.  In addition, I have worked with and known advocates all over Vermont who work on college campuses and I have admired and witnessed their expertise, their commitment to best practices, their personal and professional standards, and their willingness to work both as trauma-informed advocates and as VICTIM/SURVIVOR advocates, certainly not as defenders of college administrations nor providers of substandard advice.

 

How could such a passage get onto this website?  This contention is very unfriendly to and disparaging of local DV and SV advocacy agencies, and the disrespect for advocates engendered by such a declaration is truly unwarranted.

 

 

Stephen McArthur

Cell -- 802-839-0371

Stephen McArthur

Cell -- 802-839-0371

 

 

 

 

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Susan Stahley <> wrote:

May I suggest that perhaps we should send emails expressing our concerns to the website contact info? I think we all agree that this website is not useful but instead of "preaching to the choir" let's be change agents and encourage website owner to review content...

http://campusaccountability.org/contact-us.php

best wishes

Susan E. Stahley, MSW
Prevention Education Coordinator
Alcohol/Drug & Sexual Assault Prevention (ASAP) 
Rider University - Student Health Services
2083 Lawrenceville Road
Lawrenceville, NJ 08648-3099
O:609-895-5721  F:609-895-5682

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On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Stephen McArthur <> wrote:

 

 

Chances are any group that receives government funding (which is most rape crisis and battered women's centers) and regularly provides services to victims from a nearby campus, is providing substandard advice and may well be protecting the school's interests.

 

This broad-brush statement, just in itself, is hugely inclusive and judgmental.  I have worked for many years both with colleges and other schools on issues of domestic and dating violence (as well as serving students who need direct individual support and, in some cases, help in filing protection orders) and have never even considered myself a spokesperson for a educational institution, right or wrong.  In addition, I have worked with and known advocates all over Vermont who work on college campuses and I have admired and witnessed their expertise, their commitment to best practices, their personal and professional standards, and their willingness to work both as trauma-informed advocates and as VICTIM/SURVIVOR advocates, certainly not as defenders of college administrations nor providers of substandard advice.

 

How could such a declaration get onto this website?

 

Stephen McArthur

Cell -- 802-839-0371

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Manning, Melinda L <> wrote:

I have numerous issues with this site and would not recommend it to any student. I think the language it uses is very patronizing to young women. It is extremely biased, it does not give all the options, and possibly (I have not read every section in depth) provides some erroneous information. While Wendy Murphy is certainly entitled to her opinions and makes some valid points, I don’t think she is adding to the discussion with this site and in fact may be damaging some students by providing such one sided information.

 

Melinda Manning, JD

 

From: Becky Lockwood [mailto:]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 9:08 AM
To: 'Lauren Klein'; John Foubert
Cc: ; ;
Subject: RE: [Men Against Violence] Great new resource

 

Thanks to NSVRC for pointing out the (not so subtle) attack on the integrity of rape crisis programs.  In the interest of full disclosure I am a Co-director of a Rape Crisis Program, located on a college campus, but funded by state and federal contracts.  We work closely with area colleges because so many of our survivors are college students. We have successfully advocated for more trauma informed processes within schools and law enforcement and supported hundreds of students in accessing important accommodations with their schools. I find the assertion that just because we receive state or federal funding we are suspect incredible and terrifically misguided.  It is critical to refer survivors to Rape Crisis Centers because they are usually outside of the (often closed) campus systems and can connect folks with community resources, including legal resources.

It is very problematic that this resource does not identify who/what organizational affiliation it has.

 

Becky Lockwood

Associate Director of Counseling and Rape Crisis Services

Center for Women & Community

413.545.5832

 

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From: Lauren Klein []
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:00 PM
To: John Foubert
Cc: ; ;
Subject: Re: [Men Against Violence] Great new resource

 

I agree with John that multiple points of view are important to our work and our movement.  As professionals, it is important for us to consider various perspectives on critical issues, including Campus SaVE.

However, my challenge here is not that I disagree with several parts of this website (and I do) but that it is billed as "Everything You Need to Know About Holding Colleges and High Schools Accountable for Harassment and Discrimination in Education in the Form of Rape, Sexual Assault, Domestic/Dating Abuse and Other Forms of Gender/Sex-Based Violence."  There is some very prescriptive advice on here (see sidebar pdf: Know the Truth: When Your Daughter is Sexually Assaulted on Campus!, which demands survivors call their parents first and then that parents call an attorney) that is opinion and not fact. The tone of the website is also challenging to me as a survivor advocate.  I concur with Jen's concern that this could cause harm for the audience for whom it is intended. LB

 

Lauren (LB) Klein, MSW

Gender-Based Violence Prevention Advocate & Consultant

Candidate, Program on Gender-Based Violence; University of Colorado-Denver School of Public Affairs

 

 

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 5:47 PM, John Foubert <> wrote:

Thank you, Jen.  In my view, it is useful to have many resources on these topics, including some with which me may disagree.  There are certainly points of view on this site that I'm not completely in line with; I do think that diversity in point of view is important for us, as professionals, to consider.  

John

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On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Jennifer Grove [menagainstviolence] <> wrote:

 

Hi John,

 

I appreciate you sharing this website, as I know we are all anxious to get our hands on some good campus SV prevention resources right now.

 

However, upon further investigation, I found several things on this website to be quite troubling.  It is not clear who the creators of the content are, which is problematic to begin with.  Here are some other very concerning things we found in the FAQ section (below).   I’m sensing a lot of aggression here, a lot of which seems completely misguided and off the mark.  I won’t be promoting this as a resource for folks, and I hope others will consider checking into this further before passing it along to others.

 

In Partnership,

 

Jen Grove

NSVRC

 

 

 

Should I trust the local rape crisis center/advocacy group?

Chances are any group that receives government funding (which is most rape crisis and battered women's centers) and regularly provides services to victims from a nearby campus, is providing substandard advice and may well be protecting the school's interests.  It's hard to say for sure whether a particular rape crisis center is not trustworthy but one surefire way to know whether a group is committed to women's safety and equality is to determine whether they receive money from the government and or from the SaVE Act/Clery Act portion of the VAWA.  It is also important to ask whether they have any type of formal or informal relationship with nearby schools because many of them have contracts to provide advisory and advocacy services to victims, which means they have a financial incentive to side with the school to avoid losing the money from that contract.

And another…

 

Should I trust student groups like "Know Your IX?"

It's important to know the motivations behind student and other advocacy groups before trusting them to provide appropriate advice and guidance around Title IX or any civil rights issue involving violence against women.  Any person or group that supported the SaVE Act and has not openly retracted that support should not be trusted.  The "Know Your IX" group aggressively supported SaVE, as did the "Victims' Rights Law Center," RAINN, PaVE, AAUW, Laura Dunn, Dan Carter and Nancy Cantalupo.  Many other individuals also supported SaVE and are worthy of skepticism simply because supporting SaVE is a strong indication that a person or group does not believe in women's equality as an essential philosophical baseline principle.

 

 

 

 

From: [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 4:09 PM
To: ; ;
Subject: [Men Against Violence] Great new resource

 

 

Prevention Colleagues,

 

I recently had the chance to check out a new website for our field -- it seems like a terrific resource!  Just thought I'd pass along and share.

 

John

 

http://www.campusaccountability.org/

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405-338-8046 (c)
http://works.bepress.com/john_foubert/

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