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["Douglas E. Fierberg" <>]

Frankly, I think folks who provide advice should identify themselves.  The people/groups behind this site don't, even though it portends to be about accountability.  Doug Fierberg

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On Sep 30, 2014, at 6:01 PM, "Lauren Klein" <> wrote:

I agree with John that multiple points of view are important to our work and our movement.  As professionals, it is important for us to consider various perspectives on critical issues, including Campus SaVE.

However, my challenge here is not that I disagree with several parts of this website (and I do) but that it is billed as "Everything You Need to Know About Holding Colleges and High Schools Accountable for Harassment and Discrimination in Education in the Form of Rape, Sexual Assault, Domestic/Dating Abuse and Other Forms of Gender/Sex-Based Violence."  There is some very prescriptive advice on here (see sidebar pdf: Know the Truth: When Your Daughter is Sexually Assaulted on Campus!, which demands survivors call their parents first and then that parents call an attorney) that is opinion and not fact. The tone of the website is also challenging to me as a survivor advocate.  I concur with Jen's concern that this could cause harm for the audience for whom it is intended. LB

Lauren (LB) Klein, MSW

Gender-Based Violence Prevention Advocate & Consultant

Candidate, Program on Gender-Based Violence; University of Colorado-Denver School of Public Affairs

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 5:47 PM, John Foubert <> wrote:

Thank you, Jen.  In my view, it is useful to have many resources on these topics, including some with which me may disagree.  There are certainly points of view on this site that I'm not completely in line with; I do think that diversity in point of view is important for us, as professionals, to consider.  

John

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On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Jennifer Grove [menagainstviolence] <> wrote:

 

Hi John,

 

I appreciate you sharing this website, as I know we are all anxious to get our hands on some good campus SV prevention resources right now.

 

However, upon further investigation, I found several things on this website to be quite troubling.  It is not clear who the creators of the content are, which is problematic to begin with.  Here are some other very concerning things we found in the FAQ section (below).   I’m sensing a lot of aggression here, a lot of which seems completely misguided and off the mark.  I won’t be promoting this as a resource for folks, and I hope others will consider checking into this further before passing it along to others.

 

In Partnership,

 

Jen Grove

NSVRC

 

 

 

Should I trust the local rape crisis center/advocacy group?

Chances are any group that receives government funding (which is most rape crisis and battered women's centers) and regularly provides services to victims from a nearby campus, is providing substandard advice and may well be protecting the school's interests.  It's hard to say for sure whether a particular rape crisis center is not trustworthy but one surefire way to know whether a group is committed to women's safety and equality is to determine whether they receive money from the government and or from the SaVE Act/Clery Act portion of the VAWA.  It is also important to ask whether they have any type of formal or informal relationship with nearby schools because many of them have contracts to provide advisory and advocacy services to victims, which means they have a financial incentive to side with the school to avoid losing the money from that contract.

And another…

 

Should I trust student groups like "Know Your IX?"

It's important to know the motivations behind student and other advocacy groups before trusting them to provide appropriate advice and guidance around Title IX or any civil rights issue involving violence against women.  Any person or group that supported the SaVE Act and has not openly retracted that support should not be trusted.  The "Know Your IX" group aggressively supported SaVE, as did the "Victims' Rights Law Center," RAINN, PaVE, AAUW, Laura Dunn, Dan Carter and Nancy Cantalupo.  Many other individuals also supported SaVE and are worthy of skepticism simply because supporting SaVE is a strong indication that a person or group does not believe in women's equality as an essential philosophical baseline principle.

 

 

 

 

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Subject: [Men Against Violence] Great new resource

 

 

Prevention Colleagues,

 

I recently had the chance to check out a new website for our field -- it seems like a terrific resource!  Just thought I'd pass along and share.

 

John

 

http://www.campusaccountability.org/

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