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["Foubert, John" <>]

Colleagues,

Regarding the most recent survey posted to the list, there are a few 
important questions to consider.

1.  Is this research approved by a human subjects committee, which in part 
will help make sure that procedures of ethical principles will be followed?
2.  The study of costs of sexual assault to institutions is a worthwhile 
topic to study.  The survey that we were just presented with presumes that 
participants can know the percentage of survivors who withdraw or make other 
types of decisions based on their survivor status.  In order to answer these 
questions, the person filling out the survey would need to know every 
survivor on their campus.  It is not stated that these are estimates.
3.   In what way does the company collecting this data plan to use it?  Do 
they hope to benefit financially from collecting this data?
4.   Will data be presented in a way that can be interpreted by consumers of 
the data that, for example, 75% of survivors leave their institutions after 
experiencing sexual assault.  If you read the questions, this cannot possibly 
be determined from the questions asked.

I advise extreme caution before answering surveys where there is no 
indication that the research has been approved by a human subjects committee. 
 I also advise caution regarding answering the sort of questions being raised 
and providing impressions to a company that may seek to use the information 
for their financial advantage -- this I do not know, however, the purpose has 
not been explained and it remains a fair and open question.  In addition, the 
questions lack scientific rigor and in my point of view as a researcher, the 
study lacks merit and is not deserving of our involvement.

John Foubert

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John D. Foubert, Ph.D., LLC
Associate Professor and Program Coordinator
College Student Development Master's Degree Program
Oklahoma State University
School of Educational Studies
314 Willard Hall
Stillwater, OK 74078
(405) 744-1480
(405) 744-7758 fax


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 On Behalf Of Steven Pearlman
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 2:36 PM
To: 

Subject: Re: withdrawals after sexual assault

This is a fascinating discussion.  This seems like a tough nut to crack, to
say the least!  It also seems like absolutely critical information (that is
long overdue).
A few weeks back we initiated an anonymous survey concerning this issue.
 The goal of the survey is to acquire information from sexual assault
counselors/administrators about what percentage of sexual assault survivors
end up dropping out, failing out, and/or transferring out.  We hope as many
of you as can will take five minutes to partake the survey at
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=ljkiNJIvluOPSQP7htSHxg_3d_3d.  We will
share the results with anyone who requests the information once the survey
is complete.

That said, other research obviously needs to be accomplished to get a
complete perspective on this issue.  Are we looking for what percentage of
students who leave college suffered a sexual assault?  Or are we after what
percentage of students who suffered a sexual assault leave a given college?
 I think the latter more than the former (though seeing higher rates of
sexually assaulted students leaving a college compared to their non-sexually
assault peers would be telling, and I certainly agree with previous comments
about the limited data and reluctance by survivors to report the issue).
 Therefore, I still wonder if a survey of administrators/counselors might be
profitable in gleaning insight into this issue.

My wife--a criminal justice researcher--and I have been bantering about how
to study this for a while.  We'd certainly love to support any initiatives
in this direction, as would all of nformd.net/StudentSuccess.org.

Brainstorm, anyone?

Have a great weekend!
Steven

*Steven J. Pearlman, PhD*
*Content Director, nformd.net & StudentSuccess.org*
**
*845.901.6077*





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> Our college does send an exit survey and they ask specific questions about
> why students withdrew. The response rate is pretty poor but they usually
> write the most general things. I know many drop out due to dating violence
> or/and homelessness but they typically say financial reasons (which is often
> homelessness) or family issues or health issues. the general categories
> cover a lot of ground.
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> Katie Gentile, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Counseling and Gender Studies
> Women's Center Director
> John Jay College of Criminal Justice
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> I would also be interested in this.
> Melanie
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> Melanie O. Matson, M.A.
> Director, Rape Prevention Education Program
> Women's Center, University of California - Santa Barbara
> 1220 Student Resource Building
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> I would be interested in collaborating on such a project.
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> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:19 AM
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> Subject: RE: Withdrawls After Assaults?
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> This is an issue that has occupied me for quite a long time.  To really get
> an accurate set of data, one would have to get access to college records and
> send a survey out to those who withdrew prior to graduation to find out why
> someone left.  Even with that, it would take the participant the
> understanding that they actually left because of an assault, and not because
> of failing grades that we might recognize as the result of trauma.  Some
> students might not make the connections if the assault occurred sometime
> prior to leaving, just as some folks don't identify their assaults as rape
> when they legally fit that description.
> This is a really important issue, and I'm wondering if we couldn't all
> collaborate on such a project. I'm not sure how we could do it, but it's
> really worth exploring.
> Claire
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> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:14:00 -0500
> From: "Foubert, John" 
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> Subject: VP for Student Affairs at University of Pacific just elected
>        President of NASPA
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> SAPC and Men Against Violence Colleagues,
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> I discovered a new twist to the outrageous story unfolding at the
> University of the Pacific.  The VP for Student Affairs who is part of the
> lawsuit in which published reports state that she is accused by a survivor
> of having stated, among other things, that the attackers were popular and
> didn't need to force anyone to have sex with them, this VP for Student
> Affairs was recently elected President of the National Association of
> Student Personnel Administrators.  This position will put her as a leading
> voice speaking for student affairs professionals nationwide when she takes
> office next Spring.  I am copying material about her involvement from an
> article below.  This is only one source of information, and I am careful not
> to trust reporters to get the whole story right.  That said, I entertain a
> discussion at this point as to whether we should do anything with this
> newfound information.
>
> John Foubert
>
>
> In her lawsuit, Doe accused Pacific Vice President of Student Life
> Elizabeth Griego of blaming Doe for the assault and saying the three men
> "are very popular and do not need to force anyone to have sex with them."
>
> In its filing, the university said Griego told Doe that "given the
> testimony of all witnesses questioned (which plaintiff had refused to listen
> to) there might be 'competing truths,'" and that it appeared from testimony
> that two of the men believed they had the woman's consent.
>
> In an e-mail to the university last May, Doe's parents wrote, "Your support
> of (plaintiff) has been deeply moving," Pacific claimed. And in a June
> letter, Doe wrote, "The school has been very kind and compassionate to me,"
> it claimed.
>
> Clune said, "It's only after the university decided that they were not
> going to remove the three individuals that things turned sour."
>
> In July, Griego and another official met with Doe and her mother to discuss
> the student sanctions, the university said. At that meeting, "Plaintiff's
> mother became irate, screaming so loudly that she could be heard outside Dr.
> Griego's closed door," the school claimed. Griego asked her to leave, the
> filing said.
>
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> **************************************
> John D. Foubert, Ph.D., LLC
> Associate Professor and Program Coordinator
> College Student Development Master's Degree Program
> Oklahoma State University
> School of Educational Studies
> 314 Willard Hall
> Stillwater, OK 74078
> (405) 744-1480
> (405) 744-7758 fax
> 
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> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:30:50 -0400
> From: "Mahri Irvine" 
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> Subject: RE: withdrawls after assaults
> To: 
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> I'm willing to get on board with this project, too!
>
> Mahri Irvine
> PhD Student
> American University
> Department of Anthropology
>
> Check out a fantastic new anti-sexual violence resource:
> www.menspeakup.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 
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> [mailto:]
>  On Behalf Of Katie Gentile
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 8:39 PM
> To: 
> ''
> Subject: RE: withdrawls after assaults
>
> Our college does send an exit survey and they ask specific questions about
> why students withdrew. The response rate is pretty poor but they usually
> write the most general things. I know many drop out due to dating violence
> or/and homelessness but they typically say financial reasons (which is
> often
> homelessness) or family issues or health issues. the general categories
> cover a lot of ground.
>
> Katie Gentile, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Counseling and Gender Studies
> Women's Center Director
> John Jay College of Criminal Justice
> 445 W. 59th Street
> NY, NY  10019   212-237-8110
> ________________________________________
> From: 
> 
> []
>  On Behalf Of Melanie Matson
> []
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 8:35 PM
> To: 
> ''
> Subject: re: withdrawls after assaults
>
> I would also be interested in this.
> Melanie
>
>
> Melanie O. Matson, M.A.
> Director, Rape Prevention Education Program
> Women's Center, University of California - Santa Barbara
> 1220 Student Resource Building
> Santa Barbara, CA 93106-7190
> 805-893-2628
> 
> www.sa.ucsb.edu/women'scenter<http://www.sa.ucsb.edu/women'scenter>
>
> Warning: Communication on the Internet is NOT secure; third parties may
> view
> and store confidential communication. Please do not email confidential
> information. If this is an emergency, please call 9-911. If this is an
> urgent need that requires prompt response, please call me at 893-2628, the
> Santa Barbara Rape Crisis Center 24-hour confidential hotline (805)564-3696
> (English y Espanol), Domestic Violence Solutions 24-hour confidential
> hotline 805-964-5245, Counseling Services at 4411, or the University of
> California Police Department at 3446. Thank you.
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> I would be interested in collaborating on such a project.
>
> Shari Murgittroyd, LMSW
> Program Coordinator
> MSU Sexual Assault Program
> 14 Student Services Building
> East Lansing, MI  48824
> Phone:  (517) 355-9320
> Fax: (517) 353-8912
> www.endrape.msu.edu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 
> 
> [mailto:]
>  On Behalf Of Kaplan, Claire
> (cnk2r)
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:19 AM
> To: 
> 
> Subject: RE: Withdrawls After Assaults?
>
> This is an issue that has occupied me for quite a long time.  To really get
> an accurate set of data, one would have to get access to college records
> and
> send a survey out to those who withdrew prior to graduation to find out why
> someone left.  Even with that, it would take the participant the
> understanding that they actually left because of an assault, and not
> because
> of failing grades that we might recognize as the result of trauma.  Some
> students might not make the connections if the assault occurred sometime
> prior to leaving, just as some folks don't identify their assaults as rape
> when they legally fit that description.
> This is a really important issue, and I'm wondering if we couldn't all
> collaborate on such a project. I'm not sure how we could do it, but it's
> really worth exploring.
> Claire
>
>
> Claire N Kaplan, PhD
> Manager, SAPC Listserv
> Director, Sexual & Domestic Violence Services UVA Women's Center PO Box
> 800588 Charlottesville VA 22908-0588
> 434-982-2774 Voice
> 434-982-2901 Fax
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