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["William O'Donohue, Ph.D." <>]

Michelle,

Helpful answer, thanks.  But if in the depiction, the
rape dimension (i.e., nonconsenting) is emphasized,
does that mitigate your concerns?  Can't we say all
nonconsenting sex is wrong, whatever the genders
participating?  I think we condemn the nonconsenting
part of heterosexual rape without impugning
heterosexuality?  Is it clear that due to contextual
factors, this simply cannot be done with male-male
rape?


Again, I think these are complex questions.  I of
course am concerned about prejudice, but prejudice in
all directions.  I think one should be very careful in
using labels like homophobic and heterosexist also. 
These also can hurt.

Bill


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> Bill,
> 
> I'm so glad you've brought up these points because
> they are ones people 
> have come to me with many times. I'm sure Chris has
> her own response, 
> but I have to say that what makes videos such as
> this not only 
> heterosexist, but homophobic, is their play on the
> fear that a man being 
> raped by another man is the ultimate act of losing
> one's masculinity. 
> While there are certainly unique considerations for
> male victims, these 
> tactics "increase empathy" at the expense of truly
> creating 
> understanding of female survivors' experiences-
> while at the same time 
> alienating LGBTA audience members. I struggle with
> presenting material 
> that's applicable for the majority of students while
> not ignoring the 
> needs of the minority (and the opportunity to open
> some minds). Those of 
> us doing this work from a feminist standpoint do
> have a responsibility 
> to advocate on behalf of other populations
> (including both sexual 
> orientation and ability, as you mentioned).
> Therefore, while we do not 
> indoctrinate and try to be sensitive to those whose
> political or moral 
> views differ, we are coming at the issue of sexual
> violence from a 
> respectful point of view toward LGBT concerns. So I
> will not resort to 
> using these types of videos as I think we can do
> much, much better.
> 
> Looking forward to others' thoughts on this,
> Michelle
> 
> William O'Donohue, Ph.D. wrote:
> > Chris,
> >    
> >   Interesting points. But I think there are some
> tough conceptual issues that need to be addressed. 
> What makes something heterosexist?  Here are some
> possibilities that I see, all involving tough sub
> questions.  We can agree that open prejudice against
> GLBTs is wrong and discrimination and violence etc,
> outrageously so.  But I don't think that is not the
> kind of thing we are talking about here.  To
> "confess": I also made a rape prevention video that
> attempted to induce empathy in males by showing male
> on male rape in a prison.  I do not consider this
> "homophobic" or "heterosexist"--but have some
> evidence that it did improve empathy and thus
> hopefully decreased rape,  but in the spirit of
> learning I pose some questions.
> >    
> >   Should pragmatics/demographics have anything to
> do with mitigating this. We are both writing
> assuming sightedness (99% or so) but that does not
> make us, sightedcentric or some such label?  The
> issue is that we often communicate making often
> accurate information about base rates. Should we
> allocate resources (time,e.g.) in rape presentations
> based on this baserates?
> >    
> >   Does it have to have a negative message re: non
> heterosexuals to make it heterosexist?  If so, does
> all male-male rape depicitions have this?  Can you
> see any way that this kind of depiction can be
> acceptable? If so, how?
> >    
> >   Does something have to have demonstrable harm to
> non heterosexuals to be considered heterosexist?  If
> so, what kinds and how much?  Has this been
> demonstrated?
> >    
> >   Finally, how do we balance considerations such
> as some orthodox Jews viewing homosexuality as
> immoral?  How do we balance sensitivity to them and
> sensitivity to GLBTs, for example.  Isn't there are
> tradeoff here?  Not all can be made equally
> comfortable in the marketplace of ideas.
> >    
> >   I am interested in your thoughts on these tough
> questions.
> >    
> >   Thanks,
> >   Bill
> >
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> > 1. RE: online sexual assault program
> (Linder,Chris)
> > 2. RE: online sexual assault program (Sean Chavez)
> > 3. RE: online sexual assault program (Juliette
> Grimmett)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:30:23 -0700
> > From: "Linder,Chris" 
> > Subject: RE: online sexual assault program
> > To: Juliette Grimmett , Katherine G
> > Rose-Mockry , 
> > ""
> > , Candace Daniels 
> > Message-ID:
> >
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> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have some significant concerns around the
> material included in this online sexual assault
> program. While I recognize that it clearly works for
> some campuses with limited staff and resources, I
> think it is important to recognize that this program
> is at best heterosexist and at worst homophobic. The
> use of male on male rape to evoke empathy in college
> men has been controversial for some time, and this
> program uses that perspective. I think the
> homophobic message inherent in this type of
> "empathy" causes far more damage than good. In
> addition, the video perpetuates many essentializing
> messages around gender that further alienates
> transgender and gender-queer students. We have done
> a disservice to the GLB and Transgender community
> for far too long and I think that the use of
> heterosexist material continues this. I'm not sure
> how to counter this when doing these kinds of
> generic programs that might be better than not doing
> anything, but I think it needs to at least be
> >  acknowledg
> > ed.
> >
> > In addition to the lack of messages around GLB and
> T issues, it also does not address other
> marginalized populations - issues around sexual
> assault are different in communities of color and
> the disabled community than they are in the dominant
> culture, and this program does not address these
> factors either.
> >
> > It is also expensive. If someone would give our
> office $6 for every incoming student to our campus,
> we could do a lot to reach incoming students in
> various ways - potentially multiple programs in 1st
> year classes.
> >
> > Just some more food for thought...
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Linder
> > Director, Women's Programs & Studies
> > 112 Student Services
> > Fort Collins, CO 80523-8200
> > Phone: (970) 491-6384
> > Fax: (970) 491-4922
> > 
> > wps.colostate.edu
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 
> > 
> [mailto:]
>  On
> Behalf Of Juliette Grimmett
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:48 AM
> > To: Katherine G Rose-Mockry;
> ;
>  Candace Daniels
> > Subject: RE: online sexual assault program
> >
> > Hi Kathy and everyone else-
> >
> > your concerns are all very valid. Ultimately, just
> like with any
> > program, there is no perfect way to do this. My
> thoughts are that this
> > program is a great way to get something out to all
> of your students as
> > long as you ALSO continue to do programming all
> over campus to show that
> > there is a person behind this AND that they know
> there is someone they
> > can speak with. By itself with no follow-up, not a
> great idea.
> >
> > I definitely heard that some of our students
> multi-tasked during the
> > program and that can't be helped. Even in a
> classroom, who knows which
> > students are doing something else...what can be an
> advantage to this
> > program is that for students that are very
> uncomfortable in groups or
> > for those that may be triggered, this type of
> module allows students to
> > do it on their own time, in phases, and in a place
> that they feel safe.
> >
> >
> > I looked at this program as being able to do
> SOMETHING that I can't. I
> > alone cannot go and provide a baseline program for
> all 5000+ first-year
> > students. Some of them I will be able to reach in
> a classroom, RA
> > training, housing workshop, etc., but it is not
> guaranteed. This at
> > least ensures the opportunity of reaching them
> all, and provides some
> > baseline if I get to meet with them in person.
> From the data we have
> > been collecting, most students incoming students
> (upwards of 90%) have
> > not received any SV programming before coming to
> campus, so this is
> > better than nothing.
> >
> > Also, while modules with acting can have a cheese
> factor, they are a
> > million times better than the SexualAssault EDU
> program and have some
> > diversity in their members. I haven't gone through
> all of our
> > evaluations/data, but overall it seems that at
> least our students did
> > not find it too cheesy, but it is definitely a
> great idea to ask your
> > students what they think.
> >
> > Also, the price is what they call "the price of a
> movie ticket per
> > person." So, somewhere around $7/8 per student is
> my guess. You may be
> > able to work out a figure that works for both of
> you if you decide to go
> > ahead with the program.
> >
> > All this said, it is a huge cost and something
> that I believe the
> > University/College itself should pay for - not the
> Women's Centers and
> > IPV centers. Many are paying for the Alcohol EDU
> program, we need to
> > get them on board with this as well.
> >
> > juliette
> >
> > "It's so liberating and important for men to
> understand that they can
> > actually be friendly to women instead of playing
> some gender-specific
> > role, and that women are in most ways the same as
> they are. I think that
> > lots of women already know that, but not so many
> guys do." -my dad
> > 8/3/07
> >
> > Juliette Grimmett, MPH
> > Rape Prevention Education Coordinator
> > NC State University
> > Women's Center
> > 3120 Talley Student Center
> > Campus BOX 7306
> > Raleigh, NC 27695-7306
> > Office: (919) 513-3232
> > 24 Hour Sexual Violence Hotline: (919)618-RAPE
> (7273)
> > Fax: (919) 515-1066
> > email: 
> > 
> > website: http://www.ncsu.edu/womens_center
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> >>>> "Rose-Mockry, Katherine G" 12/11/2007 11:26 AM
> >>>>
> >>>>         
> > Hi Candace and group members,
> >
> > I received this information as well and visited
> the site to view the
> > program. From my perspective, it is a good idea
> but has some inherent
> > problems:
> >
> > 1. Students can multi-task (or simply not attend
> to it) while
> > watching.
> > The video producers have included a pre and post
> test to make it less
> > likely students will stop watching it altogether,
> but I think smart
> > students know how to answer these with limited
> involvement.
> >
> > 2. It is easier to not connect emotionally when
> watching a video than
> > in a presentation. I've always felt that one of
> our most important
> > tasks is connecting with students on an emotional
> level, which is
> > where
> > the real change comes about.
> >
> > 3. The student actors come off as too "scripted"
> and the dialogue
> > seems
> > a bit insincere for me - students may not see it
> the way I do though.
> >
> > I am going to get some of our students to take a
> look at it and give
> > me
> > feedback - would like to know what those of you
> who have used it think
> > about it. I also notice it's hard to get specific
> info about the cost
> > of this program.
> >
> > Kathy
> >
> > Kathy Rose-Mockry
> > Program Director, Emily Taylor Women's Resource
> Center
> > University of Kansas
> > (785) 864-3552
> > 
> > www.etwrc.ku.edu
> >
> > The Student Involvement and Leadership Center
> exists because
> > involvement
> > enhances learning
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 
> > 
> > [mailto:]
> >  On
> Behalf Of Daniels,
> > Candace
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:00 AM
> > To: 
> > 
> > Subject: online sexual assault program
> >
> >
> > Hello all -
> >
> >
> >
> > I just received a brochure in the mail about an
> online sexual assault
> > prevention program called nformd.net
> (http://nformd.net
> > ). I have never heard of it before today, and
> > wanted to know if anyone has any experience with
> it. If you have used
> > it, how was it received on your campus? Do the
> students actually visit
> > the site?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Candace Daniels
> >
> > Sexual Assault Response and Prevention Coordinator
> >
> > St. Mary's College of Maryland
> >
> > TEL: 240.895.4289
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > E-mail is not a secure form of communication. The
> confidentiality of
> > this e-mail cannot be guaranteed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Be empowered...
> >
> > ....to STOP sexual violence...
> >
> > ....to ACT as an intervening bystander...
> >
> > ....to STAND as a man against sexual violence...
> >
> > ....BE EMPOWERED.
> >
> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:40:23 -0800
> > From: "Sean Chavez" 
> > Subject: RE: online sexual assault program
> > To: "Linder, Chris" ,
> >
> > Message-ID:
> >
>
<>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > I also have a concern about the "Verbal Judo" and
> the goal of this is to "escape" out of a situation
> without any "form of physical or verbal resistance."
> Being from a resistance based state I don't feel
> that is the best advice to give women. 
> > Any thoughts? 
> >
> > Sean Chavez
> > Program Specialist
> > Violence Prevention Programs
> > University of Idaho 
> > 
> > 208-885-2095
> > ?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 
> > 
> [mailto:]
>  On
> Behalf Of Linder,Chris
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:30 AM
> > To: Juliette Grimmett; Katherine G Rose-Mockry;
> ;
>  Candace Daniels
> > Subject: RE: online sexual assault program
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have some significant concerns around the
> material included in this online sexual assault
> program. While I recognize that it clearly works for
> some campuses with limited staff and resources, I
> think it is important to recognize that this program
> is at best heterosexist and at worst homophobic. The
> use of male on male rape to evoke empathy in college
> men has been controversial for some time, and this
> program uses that perspective. I think the
> homophobic message inherent in this type of
> "empathy" causes far more damage than good. In
> addition, the video perpetuates many essentializing
> messages around gender that further alienates
> transgender and gender-queer students. We have done
> a disservice to the GLB and Transgender community
> for far too long and I think that the use of
> heterosexist material continues this. I'm not sure
> how to counter this when doing these kinds of
> generic programs that might be better than not doing
> anything, but I think it needs to at least be
> >  acknowledg
> > ed.
> >
> > In addition to the lack of messages around GLB and
> T issues, it also does not address other
> marginalized populations - issues around sexual
> assault are different in communities of color and
> the disabled community than they are in the dominant
> culture, and this program does not address these
> factors either.
> >
> > It is also expensive. If someone would give our
> office $6 for every incoming student to our campus,
> we could do a lot to reach incoming students in
> various ways - potentially multiple programs in 1st
> year classes.
> >
> > Just some more food for thought...
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Linder
> > Director, Women's Programs & Studies
> > 112 Student Services
> > Fort Collins, CO 80523-8200
> > Phone: (970) 491-6384
> > Fax: (970) 491-4922
> > 
> > wps.colostate.edu
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 
> > 
> [mailto:]
>  On
> Behalf Of Juliette Grimmett
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:48 AM
> > To: Katherine G Rose-Mockry;
> ;
>  Candace Daniels
> > Subject: RE: online sexual assault program
> >
> > Hi Kathy and everyone else-
> >
> > your concerns are all very valid. Ultimately, just
> like with any
> > program, there is no perfect way to do this. My
> thoughts are that this
> > program is a great way to get something out to all
> of your students as
> > long as you ALSO continue to do programming all
> over campus to show that
> > there is a person behind this AND that they know
> there is someone they
> > can speak with. By itself with no follow-up, not a
> great idea.
> >
> > I definitely heard that some of our students
> multi-tasked during the
> > program and that can't be helped. Even in a
> classroom, who knows which
> > students are doing something else...what can be an
> advantage to this
> > program is that for students that are very
> uncomfortable in groups or
> > for those that may be triggered, this type of
> module allows students to
> > do it on their own time, in phases, and in a place
> that they feel safe.
> >
> >
> > I looked at this program as being able to do
> SOMETHING that I can't. I
> > alone cannot go and provide a baseline program for
> all 5000+ first-year
> > students. Some of them I will be able to reach in
> a classroom, RA
> > training, housing workshop, etc., but it is not
> guaranteed. This at
> > least ensures the opportunity of reaching them
> all, and provides some
> > baseline if I get to meet with them in person.
> From the data we have
> > been collecting, most students incoming students
> (upwards of 90%) have
> > not received any SV programming before coming to
> campus, so this is
> > better than nothing.
> >
> > Also, while modules with acting can have a cheese
> factor, they are a
> > million times better than the SexualAssault EDU
> program and have some
> > diversity in their members. I haven't gone through
> all of our
> > evaluations/data, but overall it seems that at
> least our students did
> > not find it too cheesy, but it is definitely a
> great idea to ask your
> > students what they think.
> >
> > Also, the price is what they call "the price of a
> movie ticket per
> > person." So, somewhere around $7/8 per student is
> my guess. You may be
> > able to work out a figure that works for both of
> you if you decide to go
> > ahead with the program.
> >
> > All this said, it is a huge cost and something
> that I believe the
> > University/College itself should pay for - not the
> Women's Centers and
> > IPV centers. Many are paying for the Alcohol EDU
> program, we need to
> > get them on board with this as well.
> >
> > juliette
> >
> > "It's so liberating and important for men to
> understand that they can
> > actually be friendly to women instead of playing
> some gender-specific
> > role, and that women are in most ways the same as
> they are. I think that
> > lots of women already know that, but not so many
> guys do." -my dad
> > 8/3/07
> >
> > Juliette Grimmett, MPH
> > Rape Prevention Education Coordinator
> > NC State University
> > Women's Center
> > 3120 Talley Student Center
> > Campus BOX 7306
> > Raleigh, NC 27695-7306
> > Office: (919) 513-3232
> > 24 Hour Sexual Violence Hotline: (919)618-RAPE
> (7273)
> > Fax: (919) 515-1066
> > email: 
> > 
> > website: http://www.ncsu.edu/womens_center
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> >>>> "Rose-Mockry, Katherine G" 12/11/2007 11:26 AM
> >>>>
> >>>>         
> > Hi Candace and group members,
> >
> > I received this information as well and visited
> the site to view the
> > program. From my perspective, it is a good idea
> but has some inherent
> > problems:
> >
> > 1. Students can multi-task (or simply not attend
> to it) while
> > watching.
> > The video producers have included a pre and post
> test to make it less
> > likely students will stop watching it altogether,
> but I think smart
> > students know how to answer these with limited
> involvement.
> >
> > 2. It is easier to not connect emotionally when
> watching a video than
> > in a presentation. I've always felt that one of
> our most important
> > tasks is connecting with students on an emotional
> level, which is
> > where
> > the real change comes about.
> >
> > 3. The student actors come off as too "scripted"
> and the dialogue
> > seems
> > a bit insincere for me - students may not see it
> the way I do though.
> >
> > I am going to get some of our students to take a
> look at it and give
> > me
> > feedback - would like to know what those of you
> who have used it think
> > about it. I also notice it's hard to get specific
> info about the cost
> > of this program.
> >
> > Kathy
> >
> > Kathy Rose-Mockry
> > Program Director, Emily Taylor Women's Resource
> Center
> > University of Kansas
> > (785) 864-3552
> > 
> > www.etwrc.ku.edu
> >
> > The Student Involvement and Leadership Center
> exists because
> > involvement
> > enhances learning
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 
> > 
> > [mailto:]
> >  On
> Behalf Of Daniels,
> > Candace
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:00 AM
> > To: 
> > 
> > Subject: online sexual assault program
> >
> >
> > Hello all -
> >
> >
> >
> > I just received a brochure in the mail about an
> online sexual assault
> > prevention program called nformd.net
> (http://nformd.net
> > ). I have never heard of it before today, and
> > wanted to know if anyone has any experience with
> it. If you have used
> > it, how was it received on your campus? Do the
> students actually visit
> > the site?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Candace Daniels
> >
> > Sexual Assault Response and Prevention Coordinator
> >
> > St. Mary's College of Maryland
> >
> > TEL: 240.895.4289
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > E-mail is not a secure form of communication. The
> confidentiality of
> > this e-mail cannot be guaranteed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Be empowered...
> >
> > ....to STOP sexual violence...
> >
> > ....to ACT as an intervening bystander...
> >
> > ....to STAND as a man against sexual violence...
> >
> > ....BE EMPOWERED.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > SAPC mailing list
> > 
> >
> https://list.mail.virginia.edu/mailman/listinfo/sapc
> > _______________________________________________
> > SAPC mailing list
> > 
> >
> https://list.mail.virginia.edu/mailman/listinfo/sapc
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> >
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> >
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:47:09 -0500
> > From: "Juliette Grimmett" 
> > Subject: RE: online sexual assault program
> > To: "Chris Linder" , "Katherine G
> > Rose-Mockry" , 
> > ""
> > , "Candace Daniels" 
> > Message-ID: 
> > <>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> >
> > Thank you Chris, for saying this. I fully agree
> with all of it. In
> > fact, the heterosexist perspective and lack of
> attention to other
> > subcultures as well as its lack of bystander
> programming were my two
> > biggest critiques when I provided the creators
> with feedback. I think
> > you make a very good argument about why this may
> not work. A bunch of
> > their stats are not what I would choose to use
> either. The faces and
> > names behind the program are also mostly men,
> which was a concern of
> > mine at the beginning. They assured me that they
> had a variety of women
> > working contractually to inform the program....
> >
> > Also, we were able to use this program on a trial
> basis for free last
> > semester, none of our own funds were used. I did a
> lot of intentional
> > programming on our campus with the LGBTQI
> community to supplement what
> > was missing in the program. If this program is
> something that folks are
> > interested in, that may also be an approach to
> take - intentionally
> > focused programming for communities not included.
> AT the same time, the
> > message it send to the campus that they are not
> included form the
> > beginning can certainly be detrimental. I know for
> many of us these are
> > always difficult situations - not enough time,
> want folks to learn about
> > these issues, its not perfect, and in some
> respects can be detrimental,
> > and is it worse for some students to receive
> nothing at all or for
> > everyone to receive some that may not reflect
> their communities,
> > cultures, experiences, ugghh. 
> >
> > I actually did not know that they used the male on
> male rape approach
> > in this program. I am not sure how I missed that.
> I am not an advocate
> > for that approach at all.
> >
> > I also fully agree that if our administrations
> could give US the 6/7/8
> > dollars a person instead, we could potentially
> hire a whole new staff
> > person that could present this work in the way
> that fits our own
> > ideologies. 
> >
> > lots to consider here...
> >
> >
> > "It's so liberating and important for men to
> understand that they can
> > actually be friendly to women instead of playing
> some gender-specific
> > role, and that women are in most ways the same as
> they are. I think that
> > lots of women already know that, but not so many
> guys do." -my dad
> > 8/3/07
> >
> > Juliette Grimmett, MPH
> > Rape Prevention Education Coordinator
> > NC State University
> > Women's Center
> > 3120 Talley Student Center
> > Campus BOX 7306
> > Raleigh, NC 27695-7306
> > Office: (919) 513-3232
> > 24 Hour Sexual Violence Hotline: (919)618-RAPE
> (7273)
> > Fax: (919) 515-1066
> > email: 
> > 
> > website: http://www.ncsu.edu/womens_center
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> >>>> "Linder,Chris" 12/11/2007 12:30 PM
> >>>>
> >>>>         
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have some significant concerns around the
> material included in this
> > online sexual assault program. While I recognize
> that it clearly works
> > for some campuses with limited staff and
> resources, I think it is
> > important to recognize that this program is at
> best heterosexist and at
> > worst homophobic. The use of male on male rape to
> evoke empathy in
> > college men has been controversial for some time,
> and this program uses
> > that perspective. I think the homophobic message
> inherent in this type
> > of "empathy" causes far more damage than good. In
> addition, the video
> > perpetuates many essentializing messages around
> gender that further
> > alienates transgender and gender-queer students.
> We have done a
> > disservice to the GLB and Transgender community
> for far too long and I
> > think that the use of heterosexist material
> continues this. I'm not sure
> > how to counter this when doing these kinds of
> generic programs that
> > might be better than not doing anything, but I
> think it needs to at
> > least be acknowledg
> > ed.
> >
> > In addition to the lack of messages around GLB and
> T issues, it also
> > does not address other marginalized populations -
> issues around sexual
> > assault are different in communities of color and
> the disabled community
> > than they are in the dominant culture, and this
> program does not address
> > these factors either.
> >
> > It is also expensive. If someone would give our
> office $6 for every
> > incoming student to our campus, we could do a lot
> to reach incoming
> > students in various ways - potentially multiple
> programs in 1st year
> > classes.
> >
> > Just some more food for thought...
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Linder
> > Director, Women's Programs & Studies
> > 112 Student Services
> > Fort Collins, CO 80523-8200
> > Phone: (970) 491-6384
> > Fax: (970) 491-4922
> > 
> >  
> > wps.colostate.edu
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 
> > 
> > [mailto:]
> >  On
> Behalf Of Juliette
> > Grimmett
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:48 AM
> > To: Katherine G Rose-Mockry;
> ;
>  Candace
> > Daniels
> > Subject: RE: online sexual assault program
> >
> > Hi Kathy and everyone else-
> >
> > your concerns are all very valid. Ultimately, just
> like with any
> > program, there is no perfect way to do this. My
> thoughts are that
> > this
> > program is a great way to get something out to all
> of your students as
> > long as you ALSO continue to do programming all
> over campus to show
> > that
> > there is a person behind this AND that they know
> there is someone they
> > can speak with. By itself with no follow-up, not a
> great idea.
> >
> > I definitely heard that some of our students
> multi-tasked during the
> > program and that can't be helped. Even in a
> classroom, who knows
> > which
> > students are doing something else...what can be an
> advantage to this
> > program is that for students that are very
> uncomfortable in groups or
> > for those that may be triggered, this type of
> module allows students
> > to
> > do it on their own time, in phases, and in a place
> that they feel
> > safe.
> >
> >
> > I looked at this program as being able to do
> SOMETHING that I can't. 
> > I
> > alone cannot go and provide a baseline program for
> all 5000+
> > first-year
> > students. Some of them I will be able to reach in
> a classroom, RA
> > training, housing workshop, etc., but it is not
> guaranteed. This at
> > least ensures the opportunity of reaching them
> all, and provides some
> > baseline if I get to meet with them in person.
> From the data we have
> > been collecting, most students incoming students
> (upwards of 90%) have
> > not received any SV programming before coming to
> campus, so this is
> > better than nothing.
> >
> > Also, while modules with acting can have a cheese
> factor, they are a
> > million times better than the SexualAssault EDU
> program and have some
> > diversity in their members. I haven't gone through
> all of our
> > evaluations/data, but overall it seems that at
> least our students did
> > not find it too cheesy, but it is definitely a
> great idea to ask your
> > students what they think.
> >
> > Also, the price is what they call "the price of a
> movie ticket per
> > person." So, somewhere around $7/8 per student is
> my guess. You may
> > be
> > able to work out a figure that works for both of
> you if you decide to
> > go
> > ahead with the program.
> >
> > All this said, it is a huge cost and something
> that I believe the
> > University/College itself should pay for - not the
> Women's Centers and
> > IPV centers. Many are paying for the Alcohol EDU
> program, we need to
> > get them on board with this as well.
> >
> > juliette
> >
> > "It's so liberating and important for men to
> understand that they can
> > actually be friendly to women instead of playing
> some gender-specific
> > role, and that women are in most ways the same as
> they are. I think
> > that
> > lots of women already know that, but not so many
> guys do." -my dad
> > 8/3/07
> >
> > Juliette Grimmett, MPH
> > Rape Prevention Education Coordinator
> > NC State University
> > Women's Center
> > 3120 Talley Student Center
> > Campus BOX 7306
> > Raleigh, NC 27695-7306
> > Office: (919) 513-3232
> > 24 Hour Sexual Violence Hotline: (919)618-RAPE
> (7273)
> > Fax: (919) 515-1066
> > email: 
> > 
> >  
> > website: http://www.ncsu.edu/womens_center ;
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> >>>> "Rose-Mockry, Katherine G" 12/11/2007 11:26
> >>>>         
> > AM
> >   
> > Hi Candace and group members,
> >
> > I received this information as well and visited
> the site to view the
> > program. From my perspective, it is a good idea
> but has some inherent
> > problems:
> >
> > 1. Students can multi-task (or simply not attend
> to it) while
> > watching.
> > The video producers have included a pre and post
> test to make it less
> > likely students will stop watching it altogether,
> but I think smart
> > students know how to answer these with limited
> involvement.
> >
> > 2. It is easier to not connect emotionally when
> watching a video than
> > in a presentation. I've always felt that one of
> our most important
> > tasks is connecting with students on an emotional
> level, which is
> > where
> > the real change comes about.
> >
> > 3. The student actors come off as too "scripted"
> and the dialogue
> > seems
> > a bit insincere for me - students may not see it
> the way I do though.
> >
> > I am going to get some of our students to take a
> look at it and give
> > me
> > feedback - would like to know what those of you
> who have used it think
> > about it. I also notice it's hard to get specific
> info about the cost
> > of this program.
> >
> > Kathy
> >
> > Kathy Rose-Mockry
> > Program Director, Emily Taylor Women's Resource
> Center
> > University of Kansas
> > (785) 864-3552
> > 
> >  
> > www.etwrc.ku.edu 
> >
> > The Student Involvement and Leadership Center
> exists because
> > involvement
> > enhances learning
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 
> > 
> >  
> > [mailto:]
> >  On
> Behalf Of Daniels,
> > Candace
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 10:00 AM
> > To: 
> > 
> >  
> > Subject: online sexual assault program
> >
> >
> > Hello all -
> >
> >
> >
> > I just received a brochure in the mail about an
> online sexual assault
> > prevention program called nformd.net
> (http://nformd.net ;
> > ). I have never heard of it before today, and
> > wanted to know if anyone has any experience with
> it. If you have used
> > it, how was it received on your campus? Do the
> students actually visit
> > the site?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Candace Daniels
> >
> > Sexual Assault Response and Prevention Coordinator
> >
> > St. Mary's College of Maryland
> >
> > TEL: 240.895.4289
> >
> > 
> >  
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