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["William O'Donohue, Ph.D." <>]

Gary Becker, the Nobel Prize winning economist has an interesting economic 
account of crime.  He looks at incentives and risks from the criminal's point 
of view and indicates that at times it may seem rationale, given these, to 
commit the crime (this supposedly came to him once when he parked illegally). 
 He then talks abt how to manipulate variables such as surveillance, 
prosecution rates punishment, etc.  to reduce crime by making these stronger 
disincentives.  There are surveillance expenses (which are key as the 
criminal asks, what is the probability of getting caught?) and then 
punishment expenses.
   
  Related to rape, there is a well known stat that very few are reported, 
fewer are prosecuted, fewer result in convictions.  From Becker's point of 
view, we might not want to report all these in any prevention programming as 
it seems it could have a counterproductive role.  Second, what can we do to 
counter all this?  We had an assistant district attorney do a videotape in 
which he talked about how he would prosecute vigorously and what the max 
sentences were.  We viewed these as altering Bandura's outcome expectancies 
(in his social learning model).
   
  General question: Assuming some validity in Becker's analysis, what can 
best be done--practically-- (by campus discipline policies, disseminating 
these, role of campus and local police etc, rape prevention programmers) to 
try to change a potential rapist's economic analysis?
   
  I ask this, because if the justice/legal system is broken along the lines 
of Becker's analysis, it is tough (it would place real ceilings) to do 
effective prevention efforts.
   
  Thanks,
   
  Bill


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2. RE: SAPC Digest, Vol 853, Issue 1 (Thompson, Stephen M.)


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Hi all,
This is the type of email I usually send out to the Bacchus list-serv...
After all of the discussion about the creation of a viral email with
real, evidence-based knowledge about sexual assault education...I am
asking that you my colleagues far and wide submit to me one piece of
information or a tip that you would like to share in such a way.

I will compile all the tips that you send me into one viral email that
we can all use and post it to the list-serv to start the mass
distribution.
Rebecca Harrington


Health Educator
Office of Health Education
Counseling, Health and Wellness Center
SUNY College at Oneonta
Oneonta, NY 13820
(607) 436-3540 
(607) 436-2074 (f)



"If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.
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Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:47:35 -0500
From: "Thompson, Stephen M." 
Subject: RE: SAPC Digest, Vol 853, Issue 1
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Hi All

This ("Through the eyes of a rapist.")has been circulating for many
years. I have interviewed, profiled, and interrogated hundreds of
sexual predators. Much of what is said in this is not accurate. I have
no clue who these rapists are that this was based upon, but they do not
represent the majority of what I have seen in the past 30 years.

Steve

Stephen M. Thompson
Sexual Aggression Services Coordinator
Central Michigan University
SAC 195
Mt. Pleasant, MI. 48859
Phone: 989-774-6677
Web: www.stephenmthompson.com
Web: www.sapa.cmich.edu

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1. Re: Through a Rapist's Eyes (No Joke) (Sheila Broderick)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:10:53 -0400
From: Sheila Broderick 
Subject: Re: Through a Rapist's Eyes (No Joke)
To: Wanda Viento , Sexual Assault Programs
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Es and we all know that rapists notoriously tell the truth, so I'm sure
I'll
be doing exactly what they recommend.


On 10/31/07 3:52 PM, "Wanda Viento" wrote:

> I agree that it can be misleading, especially the reference to having
> interviewed "date" rapists and yet most of the "advice" is around
> stranger assaults.
> 
> W 
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Wanda L.E. Viento, M.S.W., Ph.D.
> Associate Director, Student Development
> Coordinator, Women's Center
> Boise State University
> 1910 University Drive
> Boise, Idaho 83725-1335
> 208-426-4259
> http://womenscenter.boisestate.edu
> 
> "If Rosa Parks had taken a poll before she sat down in the bus in
> Montgomery, she'd still be standing." ~~Mary Frances Berry, U.S.
Civil
> Rights Commissioner
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>>> "Docis, Diane" 
   10/31/2007 12:32 PM >>>
> I've used this email and others like it in presentations where we
> discuss the rampant "prevention" messages that girls and women get. I
> refer to it as stranger danger for grown-ups and we discuss how the
> messages are often contradictory, ineffective, victim-blaming, etc.
> and
> serve to limit women's freedom/mobility and increase women's fear but
> not their safety.
> 
> 
> Diane Docis
> Coordinator
> Sexual Assault Education and Prevention Program
> University of Toledo
> Student Medical Center MS-513
> Toledo, OH 43606
> phone 419-530-3431
> fax 419-530-3499
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 
> 
> [mailto:]
>  On Behalf Of S. Daniel
> Carter
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:36 PM
> To: 
> 
> Subject: FW: Through a Rapist's Eyes (No Joke)
> 
> The forwarded e-mail below titled "Through a Rapist's Eyes (No Joke)"
> was received from a student who'd received it from another student and
> I
> was wondering if anyone on the list was familiar with it or the
> original
> source?
> This appears to be cobbled together from a number of internet postings
> of questionable credibility and has been circulating for over a year
> but
> that is about all I've been able to track down. Any insights would be
> appreciated.
> 
> ********************************
> S. Daniel Carter
> Senior Vice President
> Security On Campus, Inc.
> http://www.securityoncampus.org/
> e-mail:
> 
> ------ Forwarded Message
> 
> Through a Rapist's Eyes (No Joke)
> 
> <>
> A group o f rapists and date rapists in prison were interviewed on
> what they look for in a potential victim and here are some interesting
> facts:
> 
> 1) The first thing men look for in a potential victim is
> hairstyle.
> They are most likely to go after a wo man with a ponytail, bun, braid
> or
> other hairstyle that can easily be grabbed . They are also likely to
> go
> after a woman with long hair. Women with short hair are not common
> targets. 
> 
> 2) The second thing men look for is clothing. They will look for
> women who's clothing is easy to remove quickly. Many of them carry
> scissors around specifically to cut clothing.
> 
> 3) They also look for women on their cell phone, searching through
> their purse, or < B doing other activities while walking because they
> are off-guard and can be easily overpowered.
> 
> 4) Men are most likely to attack & rape in the early morning,
> between 5:00a.m. and 8:30a. m.
> 
> 5) The number one place women are abducted from/attacked is
> grocery
> store parking lots. Number two: is office parking lots/garages.
> Number three: is public restrooms.
> 
> 6) The thing about these men is tha t they are looking to grab a
> woman and quickly move her to another location where they don't have
> to
> worry about getting caught.
> 
> 7) Only 2% said they carried weapons because rape carries a
> 3-5 year sentence but rape with a weapon is 15-20 years.
> 
> 8) If you put up any kind of a fight at all, they get discouraged
> because it only takes a minute or two for them to realize that going
> after you isn't worth it because it will be time-consuming.
> 
> 9) These men said they would not pick on women who have umbrellas
> ,
> or other similar objects that can be used from a distance, in their
> hands. Keys are not a deterrent because you have to get really close
> to
> t he attacker to use them as a weapon. So, the idea is to convince
> these
> guys you're not worth it.
> 
> 10) Several defense mechanisms he taught us are: If someone is
> following b ehind you on a street or in a garage or with you in an
> elevator or stairwell, look them in the face and ask them a question ,
> like what time is it, or make general small talk: 'I can't believe it
> is
> so cold out here,' 'we're in for a bad winter.' Now you've seen their
> face and could identify them in a line-up; you lose appeal as a
> target.
> 
> 11) If someone is coming toward you , hold out your hands in front
> of you and yell STOP or STAY BACK ! Most of the rapists this man
> talked
> to said they'd leave a woman alone if she yelled or showed that she
> would not be afraid to fight back . Again, they are looking for an
> EASY
> target. 
> 
> 12) If you carry pepper spray (this instructor was a huge advocate
> of it and carries it with him wherever he goe s) , yell I HAVE PEPPER
> SPRAY and holding it out will be a deterrent.
> 
> 13) If someone grabs you , you can't beat them with st rength but
> you can by outsmarting them If you are grabbed around the waist from
> behind, pinch the attacker either under the arm (between the elbow and
> armpit) OR in the upper inner thigh VERY VERY HARD . One woman in a
> class this guy taught told him she used the underarm pinch on a guy
> who
> was trying to date rape her and was so upset she broke through the
> skin
> and tore out muscle strands - the guy needed stitches. Try pinching
> yourself in those places as hard as you can stand it - it hurts.
> 
> 14) After the initial hit, always GO for the GROIN . I know from a
> particularly unfortunate experience that if you slap a guy's parts it
> is
> extremely painful . You might think that you'll anger the guy and make
> him want to hurt you more, but the thing these rapists told our
> instructor is that they want a woman who wil l not cause a lot of
> trouble. Start causing trouble and he's out of there.
> 
> 15) W hen the guy puts his hands up to you , grab his first two
> fingers and bend them back as far as possible with as much pressure
> pushing down on them as possible . The instructor did it to me without
> using much pressure, and I ended up on my knees and both knuckles
> cracked audibly. 
> 
> 16) Of course the things we always hear still apply. Always be
> aware
> of your surroundings , take someone with you if you can and if you see
> any odd behavior, don't dismiss it, go with your instincts!!!
> 
> 
> You may feel a little silly at the time, but you'd feel much worse
> if the guy really was trouble.
> 
> 1 . Tip from Tae Kwon Do : The elbow is the strongest point on
> your
> body. If you are close enough to use it, do!
> 
> 2. Learned this from a tourist guide in New Orleans . If a robber
> as
> ks for your wallet and/or purse, DO NOT HAND IT TO HIM . Toss it away
> from you...chances ar e that he is more interested in your wallet
> and/or
> purse than you, and he will go for the wallet/purse. RUN LIKE MAD IN
> THE
> OTHER DIRECTION!
> 
> 3. If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car, kick out the
> back
> tail lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving
> like crazy. The driver won't see you, but everybody else will.
> This
> has saved lives.
> 
> 4. Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping,
> eating, working, etc., and just sit (doing their checkbook, or making
> a
> list, etc.) DON'T DO THIS! The predator will be watching you, and this
> is the perfect opportunity for him to get in on the passenger side,
> put
> a gun to your head, and tell you where to go. AS SOON AS YOU GET INTO
> YOUR CAR, LOCK THE DOORS AND LEAVE.
> 
> a. If someone is in the car with a gun to your head DO NOT
> DRIVE
> OFF, repeat: DO NOT DRIVE OFF! Instead gun the engine and speed into
> anything, wrecking the car. Your Air Bag will save you. If the person
> is
> in the back seat they will get the worst of it. As soon as the car
> crashes bail out and run. It is better than having them find your body
> in a remote location.
> 
> b . A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot or
> parking garage: 
> 
> A.) Be aware: look around you, look into your car, at the
> passenger
> side floor, and in the back seat.
> 
> B.) If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the
> passenger door. Most serial killers attack their victims by pulling
> them into their vans while the women are attempting to get into
> their cars. 
> 
> C.) Look at the car parked on the driver's side of your vehicle,
> and
> the passenger side. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest
> your
> car, you may want to wa lk back into the mall, or work, and get a
> guard/policeman to wa lk you back out.
> 
> IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY. (And better paranoid
> than
> dead.)
> 
> 6. ALWAYS take the elevator instead of the stairs.
> (Stairwells are horrible places to be alone and the perfect crime
> spot.
> This is
> especially true at NIGHT!)
> 
> 7. If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control,
> ALWAYS RUN! The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100
> times. And even then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ.
> RUN, preferably in a zigzag pattern!
> 
> 8. As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP! It may
> get you raped or killed. Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a
> good-looking, well-educated man, who ALWAYS played on the sympathies
> of
> unsuspecting women. He walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked
> 'for help' into his vehicle or with his vehic le, w hich is when he
> abduct ed his next victim.
> 
> 9. Another Safety Point: Someone just told me that her friend
> heard
> a crying baby on her porch the night before last, and she called the
> police because it was late and she thought it was weird. The police
> told
> her 'Whatever you do, DO NOT open the door.
> The lady then said that it sounded like the baby had crawled near
> a
> window, and she was worried that it would crawl to the street and get
> run over. The policeman said, 'We already have a unit on the way,
> whatever you do, DO NOT open the door.' He told her that they think a
> serial killer has a baby's cry recorded and uses it to coax women out
> of
> their homes thinking that someone dropped off a baby. He said they
> have
> not verified it , but have had several calls by women saying that they
> hear baby's cries outside their doors when they're home alone at
> night.
> 
> 
> Please pass this on and DO NOT open the door for a crying baby
> ----This should be taken seriously because the Crying Baby theory was
> mentioned on America's Most Wanted this past Saturday when they
> profiled
> the serial killer in Louisiana.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Duke University Women's Center
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Box 90920
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