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[Gillian Greensite <>]

Thanks to Samantha Ross for bringing my attention to the panel 
discussion on "gray" rape at

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/15/gray-rape-a-new-form-of-date-rape/?ex=1193198400&en=ad97ccbce992880d&ei=5070&emc=eta1

I posted a comment and thought some of you may be interested. There 
is a long list of postings.


 October 16th,
 2007
5:12 pm
I agree with the early posting from spider. The two scenarios are 
consistent with the legal definition of rape, so why the confusion? 
Consider the following descriptions from the original article. First 
is Alicia's story and the second is Shari's:

"After the dance, they went to Kevin's room and, eventually, started 
making out. She told him flat out that she didn't want it to proceed 
to sex, and he said okay. But in a few minutes, he had pushed her 
down on the couch and positioned himself on top of her."

"She went to his room but after a few minutes said she needed to go. 
He pinned her on the bed and, according to Shari, sexually assaulted 
her. She struggled with him and managed to escape."

This is not gray. It is black and white. If we are going to have a 
debate about mis-using the term rape for those sexual experiences 
where it is less clear who may be at fault, then lets use examples 
that fit. To use clear examples of rape and then discuss them as 
though they were ambiguous is troubling.

I have been doing rape prevention education in a college setting for 
28 years and yes, I have observed the use, or mis-use of the term 
rape to include those situations that are clearly not. And yes, this 
is perpetuated by many in the anti-rape movement. To my mind is a 
dis-service to the thousands of those who are raped each year and 
serves only to diminish the seriousness of rape.

On the other hand, holding women responsible for the actions of their 
aggressors, as though avoiding getting into a potentially dangerous 
setting (a party, a club an apartment) should be solely women's 
responsibility, rather than the responsibility of the sexually 
aggressive person to stop is equally as troubling. Obviously there is 
a critical need for more discussion.
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Hello - 

If you have not worked on a campus, you will likely not be interested
in reading this email.

For others, I am working with my campus on revamping our anonymous
report form for all forms of IPV (SV, RV, and stalking).  In the process
of doing this, a zillion issues have come up.  I am wondering if any of
you can provide any input on the following issues:

1)  Who is the receiving agency of the anonymous report form (ARF) on
your campus, and WHY?

2)  Who is able to fill out your ARF?  i.e. students, staff, faculty,
friends, survivors themselves?

3)  Do you all have a self-reporting form and if so, how do you go
about concerns of someone messing around and submitting a ton of them
for the heck of it?  (I didn't think this would happen, but my campus
SART folks asked.  Is a good question - not sure if there is anything
that can be done about it)

4)  Do you all have an online process for submitting reports?  If so,
how does that work?

5)  If you have one receiving agency, i.e. a sexual violence office, do
you automatically share that information with campus police?

Any help you can provide with this would be so greatly appreciated!


Juliette

"It's so liberating and important for men to understand that they can
actually be friendly to women instead of playing some gender-specific
role, and that women are in most ways the same as they are. I think that
lots of women already know that, but not so many guys do."  -my dad
8/3/07

Juliette Grimmett, MPH
Rape Prevention Education Coordinator
NC State University
Women's Center
3120 Talley Student Center
Campus BOX 7306
Raleigh, NC 27695-7306
Office: (919) 513-3232
24 Hour Sexual Violence Hotline: (919)618-RAPE (7273)
Fax: (919) 515-1066
email: 

website: http://www.ncsu.edu/womens_center