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[Amanda Childress <>]

Does anyone have a cory of the script or know where I could get the Barrier's 
Model activity? It's the interactive domestic violence scenario that has 
people walk through a domestic violent situation, making choices to go to a 
shelter, a relative's house for a price and home is always free.

Amanda Childress


Quoting Don Lazzarini 
<>:

> Herbert the columnist pointed out some masculinity and mental health
> issues, but really blew it on the gun piece.
> 
> To save time I pulled these from a National Rifle Association FAQ
> sheet.
> Not because the information comes from them but to allow all the
> budding
> criminologist and opinion piece writers to look at the record and
> the
> research. Kleck, Lott, Mustard and Kopel are very credible
> researchers
> with a ton of information out there for those of us who want to save
> lives. This is heavily peer reviewed stuff by people who don't like
> what
> they found. Science has a way of doing that. Just ask Mythbusters.
> 
> "Citizens can defend themselves. Analyzing National Crime
> Victimization
> Survey data, criminologist Gary Kleck found, "robbery and assault
> victims who used a gun to resist were less likely to be attacked or
> to
> suffer an injury than those who used any other methods of
> self-protection or those who did not resist at all."11 In the 1990s,
> Kleck and Marc Gertz found that guns were used for self-protection
> about
> 2.5 million times annually.12 The late Marvin E. Wolfgang,
> self-described as "as strong a gun-control advocate as can be found
> among the criminologists in this country," who wanted to "eliminate
> all
> guns from the civilian population and maybe even from the police,"
> said,
> "The methodological soundness of the current Kleck and Gertz study
> is
> clear. I cannot further debate it. . . . I cannot fault their
> methodology."13 A study for the Dept. of Justice found that 34% of
> felons had been "scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an
> armed
> victim," and 40% of felons have not committed crimes, fearing
> potential
> victims were armed.14"
> 
> * RTC and crime trends. Studying crime trends in every county in the
> U.S., John Lott and David Mustard found, "allowing citizens to carry
> concealed weapons deters violent crimes and it appears to produce no
> increase in accidental deaths. If those states which did not have
> Right
> to Carry concealed gun provisions had adopted them in 1992,
> approximately 1,570 murders; 4,177 rapes; and over 60,000 aggravated
> assaults would have been avoided yearly....[W]hen state concealed
> handgun laws went into effect in a county, murders fell by 8.5
> percent,
> and rapes and aggravated assaults fell by 5 and 7 percent."5
> 
> * False predictions. Dave Kopel has written, "Whenever a state
> legislature first considers a concealed carry bill, opponents
> typically
> warn of horrible consequences....But within a year of passage, the
> issue
> usually drops off the news media's radar screen, while gun-control
> advocates in the legislature conclude that the law wasn't so bad
> after
> all."6 A article related to Michigan's RTC law said, "Concerns that
> permit holders would lose their tempers in traffic accidents have
> been
> unfounded. Worries about risks to police officers have also proved
> unfounded....National surveys of police show they support concealed
> handgun laws by a 3-1 margin....There is also not a single academic
> study that claims Right to Carry laws have increased state crime
> rates.
> The debate among academics has been over how large the benefits have
> been."7
> 
> * RTC permit-holders are more law-abiding than the rest of the
> public.
> For example, Florida, which has issued more carry permits than any
> state
> (due to its large population and having had an RTC law since 1987)
> has
> issued over 1.2 million permits, but revoked only 157 (0.01%) due to
> gun
> crimes by permit-holders.
> 
> The academic research supports the importance of civilian
> self-defense.
> Law enforcement knows their sphere of influence is limited to those
> in
> their immediate presence as well as response times. Whitman's sniper
> attack was responded to by citizen scoped hunting rifles which law
> enforcement did not have. What would have been the toll if he had
> not
> received return fire, more than 32? Ask any true professional out
> there
> about what they would want if they knew a gunman was coming into
> their
> building to kill as many people as he could, we would see them
> arming
> citizens with the proper skills to defend the lives of those
> threatened.
> 
> 
> It is so basic a concept, how do we not put this on the table of
> options
> along side the research. I personally would like my university to be
> known as a place where concealed carry by permanent employees was
> allowed, even if special training and qualifications were required
> above
> and beyond, the basics of concealed carry requirements. They are
> doing
> it in the airlines. A massacre in such an environment would be very
> difficult to sustain. It is not a very attractive target either. It
> is
> hard to feel powerful and godlike in an environment where trained
> citizens are using deadly force to defend against your attack.
> 
> We should be studying the reason these distorted young men go into
> places they are guaranteed are gun free zones instead of walking
> into
> the police station or a NRA convention where 60,000 people are
> wandering
> around, many with a legally issued concealed weapons permit. Our
> responsibility to inform stalking victims, domestic violence victims
> and
> women concerned about sexual assault require us to take a serious
> look
> at the research so we can adequately advise or point these women
> toward
> peer reviewed research based options.
> 
> I realize this is a sexual assault list serve, but as a retired and
> highly skilled firearms instruction with 18 years of law enforcement
> experience I believe it is my responsibility to counter opinion with
> research. If our retired military and law enforcement were allowed
> to
> carry their permitted concealed weapons on campuses, the availability
> of
> an immediate armed response to these campus shootings could be
> implemented. Law enforcement is trained to shoot back when shot at.
> I
> have trained and observed many civilian handgun shooters who possess
> concealed weapons permits that have three times the shooting skills
> of
> most law enforcement officers. Research will also reveal that
> officers
> shot the wrong person much more often than the armed citizen. If we
> compare the .01% figure above from Florida for permit holder gun
> crimes
> and did a study to compare the gun crimes by officers, we might open
> up
> our minds to having armed citizens available to deter attacks and
> protect those who are uncomfortable with such tools.
> 
> Just some research-based food for thought.
> 
> 
> Don Lazzarini M. Ed
> Coordinator VAWOC Project
> Resource Specialist
> 208-885-2956
> 
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Amanda Childress

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Ohio University
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