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I agree with the sentiments shared below about the consent video. I also
had a concern when watching it that it doesn't address the fact that
people have the right to change his or her mind at any point.  I got the
feeling that this video would show that consent could be determined
ahead of time, and then no need to be discussed further.

Thanks,
Rebecca Schiltz
CASA Victim Services Coordinator
715.836.4357

 

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Today's Topics:

   1. RE: consent film (Mike Domitrz)
   2. is drugging someone a crime? from Alice Vachss 
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   3. RE: consent film (Juliette Muellner)
   4. liability question and budget (Sexual Assault Prevention Center)
   5. Date rape drug detection (Catherine Bath)
   6. new website about violence prevention (Barrett, Peggy)
   7. liability question and budget (Rowen Holland)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:40:10 -0600
From: "Mike Domitrz" 
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Subject: RE: consent film
To: 
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While humorous for many students, this film walks right into stereotypes
that lead people into NOT wanting to ask for consent.  There were
several moments in the movie that reflected unhealthy attitudes/beliefs.

I would have LOVED to see this movie done where the two people actually
talked about their personal wants/likes/dislikes with each other in a
very passionate and romantic manner (not through lawyers).  In that
talk, there could have been both serious points and very "fun" and
"playful" moments.
The reality is that asking for consent can be extremely intimate,
passionate, and sexy.  We need more examples of students SEEING positive
and passionate scenes of consent.

This film is also evidence of various unhealthy practices/beliefs on
campuses -- such as the "trophy" statements (him getting to show her
panties to his buddies and her proving her "castration" of him by
getting to wear his clothes around campus).  For teaching, the film
could be used as an opener to discuss the "reality" verses the
"stereotypes/assumptions"
regarding consent.  Then take students into the conversation of "How can
you have this conversation without the lawyers?  How can you talk openly
with each other in a way that would enhance the closeness and
understanding of each other?  How would you handle a partner not wanting
to do something?" .
. . and many other questions.

Mike Domitrz
**Executive Director of The Date Safe Project **Creator of "Can I Kiss
You?" healthy dating and sexual assault awareness program.
.....Websites:  http://www.canikissyou.com,
http://www.thedatesafeproject.org, http://www.voicesofcourage.com
.....Join the blog at http://datesafe.blogspot.com
.....Toll-Free: (800) 329-9390

****Sign-up for the thought-provoking and informative newsletter, "The
Date Safe Advocate", by signing up at http://www.canikissyou.com.


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Subject: consent film


Dear colleagues;

I was able to see the short film on consent -- clever but ultimately
unhelpful as a mockery of the value of autonomy because it promotes the
notion that obtaining consent is unromantic --

I will use it as a teaching tool because it's a fun way of teasing out
students' ideas of what consent is and why it matters -- I do two days
on consent with my law students - and they invariably lapse into a
discussion about the criminal law as as "sexual regulation" rather than
a black and white tool designed to promote autonomy.

It's also entirely inappropriate as a film that sends the wrong message
about who bears the burden.  Irrespective of gender, the aggressor
always bears the burden of obtaining permission.  Anything short of
black and white rules translates to "a little bit of harm is ok".

I wish there could be a film that illustrates the simplicity of the idea
that "my right to swing my fist ends before it hits you in the nose" as
applied to sexual parts.

Wendy Murphy
New England School of Law




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:38:39 EST
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Subject: is drugging someone a crime? from Alice Vachss
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Ross,
    There was one thing in what you said that I think  you really need
to challenge with your local prosecutor -- the  statement that "in
Illinois, drugging someone - by itself - is not a  crime."
    I'm not admitted to practice law in Illinois -- and  maybe you have
unique laws, or some really odd case that I don't know  about -- but in
just about every state as far as I know drugging someone  violates
crimes like drug trafficking ("sale" of illegal drugs  generally only
requires the transfer of an illegal drug from one person to  another) or
(in the case of legal drugs) practicing medicine without a  license
and/or dispensing prescriptions without a license. Also in most  states
inducing unconsciousness is an assault or a battery (and the attempt to
induce it is an attempted assault or attempted battery.) 
    Some confusion has come in because in recent years  some states,
like Oregon, have passed legislation attempting to specifically  target
drug-facilitated rape drugs. These new laws have real implementation
problems because they often require proof of intent that is hard to come
by. But  none of the new laws have repealed the older, broader ones. 
    The reason the distinction is so important is that  I think that in
general we've overlooked a huge resource. I would love to see a  SART
connect up with the "war on drug" part of law enforcement. Generally
the drug enforcement folks have better (or at least older) forms of
funding, resources and organization. The local drug team should know or
be able  to pull reports, for example, on burglaries at veterinary
offices -- and then  correlate them up with your students reporting
ketamine symptoms.
    None of this is meant to minimize the importance of  other
campus-based efforts against drug facilitated rape. I just don't want to
see law enforcement let off the hook because they have lead you to
believe that  drugging someone is not a crime.


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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:42:34 -0500
From: Juliette Muellner 
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Subject: RE: consent film
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I still have not been able to actually see this video.  Can someone pass
it along to me?

Thank you,

Juliette
--
Juliette Muellner

"Feminism is the radical notion that women are people"


Quoting Mike Domitrz 
<>:

> While humorous for many students, this film walks right into 
> stereotypes that lead people into NOT wanting to ask for consent.  
> There were several moments in the movie that reflected unhealthy
attitudes/beliefs.
>
> I would have LOVED to see this movie done where the two people 
> actually talked about their personal wants/likes/dislikes with each 
> other in a very passionate and romantic manner (not through lawyers).

> In that talk, there could have been both serious points and very "fun"
and "playful" moments.
> The reality is that asking for consent can be extremely intimate, 
> passionate, and sexy.  We need more examples of students SEEING 
> positive and passionate scenes of consent.
>
> This film is also evidence of various unhealthy practices/beliefs on 
> campuses -- such as the "trophy" statements (him getting to show her 
> panties to his buddies and her proving her "castration" of him by 
> getting to wear his clothes around campus).  For teaching, the film 
> could be used as an opener to discuss the "reality" verses the
"stereotypes/assumptions"
> regarding consent.  Then take students into the conversation of "How 
> can you have this conversation without the lawyers?  How can you talk 
> openly with each other in a way that would enhance the closeness and 
> understanding of each other?  How would you handle a partner not
wanting to do something?" .
> . . and many other questions.
>
> Mike Domitrz
> **Executive Director of The Date Safe Project **Creator of "Can I Kiss

> You?" healthy dating and sexual assault awareness program.
> .....Websites:  http://www.canikissyou.com, ;
> http://www.thedatesafeproject.org, http://www.voicesofcourage.com ;
> .....Join the blog at http://datesafe.blogspot.com
> .....Toll-Free: (800) 329-9390
>
> ****Sign-up for the thought-provoking and informative newsletter, "The

> Date Safe Advocate", by signing up at http://www.canikissyou.com.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 
> 
> [mailto:]
>  On Behalf Of 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:35 AM
> To: 
> 
> Subject: consent film
>
>
> Dear colleagues;
>
> I was able to see the short film on consent -- clever but ultimately 
> unhelpful as a mockery of the value of autonomy because it promotes 
> the notion that obtaining consent is unromantic --
>
> I will use it as a teaching tool because it's a fun way of teasing out

> students' ideas of what consent is and why it matters -- I do two days

> on consent with my law students - and they invariably lapse into a 
> discussion about the criminal law as as "sexual regulation" rather 
> than a black and white tool designed to promote autonomy.
>
> It's also entirely inappropriate as a film that sends the wrong 
> message about who bears the burden.  Irrespective of gender, the 
> aggressor always bears the burden of obtaining permission.  Anything 
> short of black and white rules translates to "a little bit of harm is
ok".
>
> I wish there could be a film that illustrates the simplicity of the 
> idea that "my right to swing my fist ends before it hits you in the 
> nose" as applied to sexual parts.
>
> Wendy Murphy
> New England School of Law
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:25:05 -0700
From: "Sexual Assault Prevention Center" 
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Subject: liability question and budget
To: 
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Hi -

I am new to this list.  I am working on a sexual assault prevention
program for Prescott College in Prescott, AZ.  We are a small liberal
arts college with a heavy environmental, adventure education, and social
justice focus.  The school encompasses 4 programs - Residential (RDP),
Adult Degree (ADGP), Masters (MAP), and PhD.  RDP (which I am mainly
working with) has about 400 students.

We have run across a small glitch - the administration is concerned
about liability issues for our volunteer advocates (i.e. what is one of
the trained volunteers says something wrong and the victim comes back at
the school?).  How have others dealt with this?  It was my thought that
the volunteers would fall under the Good Samaritan Act.  Thoughts?

Also, I am in the process of putting together a budget for this program
and want to make sure that I am not forgetting or not thinking of
something important.  Would anyone be willing to share a proposed budget
or more general budget with me? 

Thanks for all your help,

Rowen

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rowen Holland, Coordinator
Prescott College Sexual Assault Prevention Center 

928-350-2276



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:35:28 -0500
From: Catherine Bath 
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Subject: Date rape drug detection
To: 
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The Drink Detective is a new tool for drink testing in cases where one
is suspicious.  The idea is you carry a Drink Detective (it is slightly
larger than a condom) in your purse or pocket when you go out, "just is
case".

Two ways to use the DD:
 
If you feel suspicious for any reason that your drink might have been
tampered with OR If you start feeling dizzy or sick and you haven?t had
that much to drink
 
When the DD becomes commonplace, drink spiking will no longer be a crime
of opportunity. The only criminals being prosecuted for this predatory
crime are the people stupid and arrogant enough to videotape themselves
having sex with an unconscious person.  There have been a couple of high
profile cases like that in California recently.
--
Catherine Bath
Executive Director
Security on Campus, Inc.
(888) 251-7959
http://www.securityoncampus.org/




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:07:04 -0500
From: "Barrett, Peggy" 
<>
Subject: new website about violence prevention
To: 
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Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="US-ASCII"

Hi all-

I wanted to tell you about our new website that has pdf files of our
brochures and posters.  Our videos are on it and some description of the
process of developing the educational materials.  I hope that you find
it useful.

http://ase.tufts.edu/safecampus

-Peggy

 

Peggy Barrett

Director

Tufts University Women's Center

55 Talbot Avenue

Medford, MA 02155

ph: 617-627-4640

fax: 617-627-3228



 



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:08:33 -0700
From: "Rowen Holland" 
<>
Subject: liability question and budget
To: 
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Message-ID:
        
<>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi - 

I am new to this list.  I am working on a sexual assault prevention
program for Prescott College in Prescott, AZ.  We are a small liberal
arts college with a heavy environmental, adventure education, and social
justice focus.  The school encompasses 4 programs - Residential (RDP),
Adult Degree (ADGP), Masters (MAP), and PhD.  RDP (which I am mainly
working with) has about 400 students.

We have run across a small glitch - the administration is concerned
about liability issues for our volunteer advocates (i.e. what is one of
the trained volunteers says something wrong and the victim comes back at
the school?).  How have others dealt with this?  It was my thought that
the volunteers would fall under the Good Samaritan Act.  Thoughts?

Also, I am in the process of putting together a budget for this program
and want to make sure that I am not forgetting or not thinking of
something important.  Would anyone be willing to share a proposed budget
or more general budget with me?  

Thanks for all your help,

Rowen

~~~~~~~~~~~
Rowen Holland, Coordinator
Prescott College Sexual Assault Prevention Center 

928-350-2276







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