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Robert, 

I really appreciate your points -- and the passion from which you spoke
for these points.

I agree -- for the most part.  As I say in my workshops and writing on
working with men "which men?"  "and we need to develop strategies that
work for the specific men we're aiming to mobilize."  I think it foolish
to believe that we can mobilize queer men using the same tools and
tactics as what we use to mobilize het men; or black men and Asian men,
or male youth and adult men, or  or or...

That being said, I also think it crucial to come to the work of
mobilizing men from an understanding of domestic and sexual violence as
forms of justice work.  It does not and will not benefit men to be
moblized to end sexism and violence.  What gets men hooked is the deep
knowledge/understanding/belief, whatever that sexism and the violence
that stems from sexism in morally reprehensible.  It really is no
different than mobilizing white folks to become active against racism,
or heterosexuals to become active against homophobia and heterosexism.
White allies and heterosexual allies are allies not because it benefits
them -- they're allies because the see the harm and are morally moved to
act because they can't not act.  Seems to me the same is true for men.

As such, it seems to me that it is incumbant upon us to look critically
at what is developed for men.  I don't think looking critically at
different programs or components -- even if that critique is harsh --
necessarily is the same thing as not trusting or shutting down for those
programs.  There needs to be room for critical reflection and debate
about what we're doing.

For example, there are those who would argue -- perhaps on this list --
that the promise keepers is a model of engaging men to work to end
sexism and violence -- or at least violence.  That may be true, but
there are some basic tenets fo the promise keepers model (event if there
are some aspects that can be used effectively) that make the model, as a
whole, untenable for me in terms of working with men.  

This is not to say that I believe that any of the models you described
have basic tenets that I find incongruent with how I do work with men.
This is to say that we all do have some standards for how far we'll
adjust in how we do the work, and how we are accountable to the feminist
leadership (and hopefully other justice-seeking leadership) in our
efforts to work with men.   To me, those are crucial discussions to have
-- and they should be heated!  So far, we've created far too few
opportunities to have those kinds of conversations.

Anyway, thanks again for your thoughts and for spurrng me to consider
these issues again.

Rus Ervin Funk, MSW
Center for Women and Families
PO Box 2048
Louisville, KY 40201
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I am writing to comment on the few emails addressing who has a good
program who has a bad program who gets it all wrong . . .  . as we try
to involve men in the prevention of sexual violence.  I have seen John
Foubert and 1 in 4 take many hits about the program or personally, I
have heard folks discuss MVP and Jackson Katz about how great or how
unhappy they are with the program or presentation.  In this feild it
always floors me how quickly we are to not trust and shut down others
aiming for the same goal - to end sexual violence.

Let's take the men's program since that has come up recently.  Here is a
program that appears to get men, fraternity men involved and willing to
take their message across campus and the nation.  Men who many belive
cannot be allies to begin with.  Have you seen thier energy, have you
looked at the training manuel.  The manuel by itself is chalk full of
information and any peer education group using it to understand sexual
violence would be well prepared.  Yeah, there are times that the video
is hard for me to watch but I tell you it is reaching some men who have
not gotten this issue in the past.  And there's the data to show this
too. (speaking of data - there is some interesting research that shows
promise and gives some understanding about social norms.  Why it has not
worked to well  or been difficult to apply to this issue and how to
apply social norms in a way that seems to change men's attitude and
knowledge)  and yes, I realize I have placed social norms stuff next to
one in four stuff and yet my keyboard has burst in to flames.


Now to the point and a little back ground.  I provide sexual violence
prevention training for the state of Virginia through the Health
Department. My target population can be summed up as "From the hoods to
the woods" I am talking to folks who have NEVER really been invited to
be a part of the dialogue on how we can involve men in prevent (except
for the shaming and blaming approach).  I have used for trainings and
workshops such fine folks as Men Can Stop Rape, John Foubert,
Christopher Kilmartin, MVP. and they ALL help me reach my audiance.
Think of them as kitchen tools, I have yet to see the spoonabowlfryblend
that truely works.  The spoon is a great tool but it ain't gonna get
that cut my spam to well, does that mean I throw it out? Now how to I
eat my soup?

The point is this a complex issue, we need all the tools we can use but
the bigger question that I feel people are afraid to ask or afraid to
see in reality is . .

DO WE BRING MEN TO THE MOVEMENT OR BRING THE MOVEMENT TO MEN?

That is the 800 pound gorilla we need to understand and address.  I do
trainings all the time for professionals and regular folks that will
never be gay affirmative and pro-feminist is a stretch.  For many, God
would need to come down and personnaly state that homosexualtiy was "OK"
Does this mean these men can never be allies?  Does this mean they have
no role as mentors or fathers or peers to address some of these issues?
These are groups of men that have not been approached or invited and if
they showed up at a sexual assault center meeting I think some folks
would call the police.  We need these men, we need the programs that
reach them.  Concepts like "benevolent sexism" are good and they give us
better understanding of how we can better address men's sexual violence
prevention but mentions that to some of the folks I see from way in the
county or the inner city and you ain't going to go to far, that is a Men
491 level class and we need a 101 level or GED level some times. It
don't mean men are dumb, just starting a little late.

Thank you for letting me get my thoughts out and keep doing the great
work I am sure all of you do.

Walk Good

Bob

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Robert L. Franklin, MS
Male Outreach Coordinator for
Sexual Violence Prevention
Center for Injury and Violence Prevention
Virginia Department of Health
109 Governor Street, 8th Floor
Richmond VA 23219
Phone: (804) 864-7739
Fax: (804) 864-7748

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Feel free to forward

 

 

National Sexual Violence Resource Center

Resource Specialist

Pennsylvania

 

 

The National Sexual Violence Resource Center, a project of the
Pennsylvania Coalition Against Rape, seeks an experienced and dynamic
Resource Specialist to provide high quality information and technical
assistance on sexual

violence prevention and intervention.  This position will work as part
of

the NSVRC’s Technical Assistance Team to provide resources to agencies
and individuals throughout the country and strengthen the development of
web based resources specifically.  Work includes outreach, assessment,
content development and content review.  The Resource Specialist also
acts as a liaison to anti-sexual violence and anti-oppression
organizations working at local, state, tribal, territory and national
levels and has the exciting opportunity to travel nationally.  

 

 

 

The successful candidate will have a demonstrated understanding of and

commitment to issues of anti-oppression, social justice and social
change

work related to sexual violence.  Experience with program development
and project management skills, including project planning, evaluation,
budget management and the ability to work effectively with various
levels of staff and consultants is expected.  A Bachelor's degree (B.
A.), three years related experience and/or training; or equivalent
combination of education and experience in sexual assault direct
service, prevention or coalition building is required.

 

 

 

For a more detailed job description, see the attached word document or
visit the NSVRC website HYPERLINK "http://www.nsvrc.org

 

 

 

 

All inquiries, nominations, and applications should be directed to: 

 

Sally J. Laskey, Associate Director, National Sexual Violence Resource

Center,

 

123. North Enola Drive, Enola, PA 17025.

 

[Offices located near Harrisburg, PA]

 

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Applications must be submitted by August 20, 2004.

 

 

 

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I think I remember a discussion on this topic last summer and I do not 
remember anyone actually finding the source??? But this is a very good 
article on the first six or seven months of the school year.

www.cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/e03021472.pdf

If anyone has this info I would also be interested.

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> Hi all--
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I was at a lecture, the first time I heard that the majority of campus sexual
assault (as well as the majority of all other violent campus crime) happens
in the first six weeks of college. Since then I know I've read statistical
reports that confirm that's still true but I could not find a citation for 
you. I
know that the Chronicle of Higher Education has been doing an annual report
ever since the Clery Act was first passed. I don't have a member id to get 
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on 8/5/04 7:53 PM, 

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The Clery Act statistics woulden't allow one to do an analysis of exactly
when crimes occur, and the Chronicle of Higher Education hasn't attempted to
do so.

On individual campuses the Clery Act crime log is supposed to offer this
type of information, but it would only include crimes reported to the police
or security department and not other offices such as the dean of students.

The best way to capture this information is going to be a victimization
survey.

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